Re: Food formulas (corn)

From: Krys Francis (krys_at_lluestfarmpoultry.co.uk)
Date: 08/14/04 

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:36:16 +0100

In message <411b330f$0$9889$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Jill
<news@REMOVETHISkintaline.co.uk> writes
>Krys Francis wrote:
>>>> Thought that some of you might find this interesting. I've not long
>>>> since got back from a visit to the States.
>>>
>>> Wow - where did you get to?
>>
>> Mostly Indiana, but also was in a few other states briefly. Flew over
>> New York.... Cripes the size of it!!!!
>
>Sounds wonderful - did you have to bring the hurricane back with you though?
>!!!!
>
><snip only for brevity much that is really interesting - hopefully food for
>thought in time to come>
>
>> That one should never eat organic cereals because they are not
>> allowed to use fungicides. Therefore there is an increased risk of
>> mycotoxin build up in the liver. Apparently this works in a similar
>> way to ragwort toxin build up in the liver & cannot be cleared??
>> (Remember I don't know if any of this makes sense, I'm just repeating
>> my interpretation of what she said.) She said that the
>> government(???) was keeping a lid on this info but she could see the
>> lid being blown off it (again???) & a big fuss being made about
>> mycotoxins within the next (X number) years.
>>
>Wow - that might upset a few perconceptions
>Wonder what else we are doing??
>
>>> I would also be interested
>>
>> I do remember that she said that the symptoms of selenium overdose in
>> horses were the same as selenium deficiency. I'll write a bit later &
>> ask again about the form of selenium which is not good to use. She
>> spends most of her time travelling the world going to universities &
>> conferences; which she said becomes rather boring after a few years.
>> Flying for long distances is really not fun as I found out.
>
>hmm- its what puts us off future plans. We are completely out of practise
>and it
>does not appeal.
>
>>>
>>> Did you get to do lots of other poultry / waterfowl things while you
>>> were over there?
>>
>> Diagnosed & thus saved a flock from Mycoplasma gallisepticum (acute
>> form)
>
>Well done you!
>
> I'd never seen the acute form before. Recognised Mycoplasma, but
>> with accelerated progress, managed to get some tylosin used that in
>> conjunction with oxytet injections for the worst cases. Confused by
>> rapid progress spoke to a vet who informed me that there are both
>> chronic & acute forms in US.
>
>Eeek - what were the signs? - it would be very useful for the archive here
>with so many folks from the US

It's the same as the chronic version which we're used to in Britain, but
progresses much more rapidly. Some younger birds were keeling over
within a few days. First symptom was flicking of head, as with any other
problem which causes nasal blockage. Then a variety of sneezing, foam
in corner of eye, swollen sinus, clear nasal discharge, rattling
breathing, laboured breathing with gaping. Some birds just didn't look
right, ruffled feathers drooping wings. The turkeys were particularly
badly affected by swollen sinus, lanced & drained these when they had
swollen so far as to make the turkeys seem very uncomfortable. This did
seem to help to make the worst affected more comfortable until the
antibiotics kicked in. We gave tylan soluble (tylosin) to all & LA200 IM
(oxytet) to the worst affected. Interestingly enough. The younger birds
seemed to follow a pattern which lead to death within 2-3 days of
looking 'not right'. Curiously enough the young orp who could not walk &
was looking really bad, completely recovered in about 3 days with the
combined treatment. I had thought it too far gone. Syringed tylosin
solution down oesophagus after injection on first day, in order to make
sure that she got some. She was walking, eating & drinking the following
day but still didn't look quite right, apparently completely recovered
by third day.

>>Disinfected myself on return,
>
>I bet !
>
>I don't
>> want it in my birds. Another friend (Rourke Hiland) had runners,
>> exhibition type, .... prefer ours. Rourke also had ancona ducks. Do
>> you know who created these & where? They have magpie pattern I think
>> that the main difference is in the beak.
>
>Hmm - not offhand but seem to remember a reference to them somewhere. I have
>SO much reading to catch up with this winter. Its been so frustrating not
>having been able to just sit and read for so long. It has not stopped me
>buying books etc though so the list just gets longer :~))))
>
>--
>regards
>Jill Bowis
>
>Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
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>http://www.kintaline.co.uk
>>
>> Regards
>> Krys
>
> 

-- 
Krys Francis

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