Re: National Fox Welfare Frequently Asked Questions

From: Gluteus Maximus (legion_at_ceaserus.com)
Date: 08/14/04 

Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:54:08 +0100

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:28:03 +0100, Derek Moody
<derek@farmdirect.co.uk> wrote:

>http://www.nfws.org.uk/index.htm
>
>Frequently Asked Questions
>
>
>Dear NFWS
>
>Please could you tell me when fox cubs are born, I believe it’s in
>January—February but I am not sure.
>
>The peak mating season is usually in January and cubs are born in
>March. If the fox’s earth is in your garden you will usually be lucky
>enough to see the fox cubs moving around mid April.
>
>
>I am looking for a fox as a pet. I love pets and take many in. do you
>know where I could go to find one? your immediate response is desired.
>
>Sorry Wendy you have certainly come to the wrong place here. Foxes are
>wild animals and this is where they belong. Foxes do not make good
>pets, please believe me.
>
>
>hi I am a student at a school and I have a project to do and I did a
>red fox. bit it ask a question and I cant answer it so I am emailing u
>to ask a question. it is what dose the red fox sound like ??please
>email me a xxxxxxxx ok please do it son.
>
>Does your computer you are using play wav files? If so I will send you
>some recordings so you can hear for yourself. If not let me know and I
>will describe them as best I can
>
>
>I have a family of about 5 foxes living at the bottom of my next door
>neighbour's garden. They all have the mange and I am heartily sick of
>finding their mess all over my grass. Certain plants often smell of
>them - the foxes leave a very definite smell - and my daughter is
>afraid of going to the bottom of the garden on her own because of the
>foxes.
>I am worried that the foxes are making the garden unhealthy for
>children and would be interested in ways of at least treating their
>mange.
>
>If you would be willing to put a little food out each night for the
>foxes we would be only too pleased to send you the treatment required.
>By putting out a little food you may actually stop the fouling in your
>garden. If you are interested in treating the foxes please email me
>with your full address and details
>
>
>I live in Michigan, USA. I recently found a 6 month old brown lab
>puppy in terrible condition. We've done biopsies, tested for fungus,
>and are now considering a diagnosis of mange, though my vets are in
>disagreement. No mites were found in numerous skin scrapings. His
>itching and hair loss have been going on for 2 months. He is currently
>being treated with Prednisone and Ivermectin, and showing marked
>relief though probably temporary.
>Desperate for more information, we searched the web and came across
>your NFWS websight regarding a homeopathic remedy for mange. We'd like
>to
>know how we might be able to purchase this. We'd be glad to make a
>donation.
>
>Please send your full address and I will be only too pleased to put
>you something in the post. Re the mange scrapings very rarely will the
>mite show up in a scraping. The Ivomectin should kill the mites but
>maybe now you should start to treat the skin. Here are a few
>suggestions: Aloe Vera shampoo, normally obtained from a health shop
>will work wonders. Shampoo the dog twice a week until itching stops.
>This product is really brilliant.
>Incidentally do you feed dry dog food to your puppy? Just for the
>record, if you do, we questioned over 170 people whose dogs have
>either got mange or have had it, and interestingly, 168 owners fed a
>dry dog food. I can only liken feeding dry dog food to us eating
>muesli at every meal, you are what you eat and the skin is the first
>thing to suffer. Finally add some vitamin A and D in the diet. If you
>can obtain a vitamin supplement (SA37 is good one) from a pet shop
>this will help. Also use one teaspoonful of a good vegetable oil,
>Sunflower the best, and add this to the dogs food each day.
>
>
>I have a Grey Fox living under my barn and I have several pets. I
>would like to trap it and then relocate it. What should I put in the
>trap to
>catch it. Thanks
>
>Sorry we don't give advice on how to catch foxes to relocate them.
>Thankfully in the UK relocation is illegal. The simple answer would be
>to ensure your pets are fully protected. If the fox is a vixen and you
>remove her then the cubs that are no doubt also under your shed will
>die. Relocation doesn't work for many reasons.
>
>
>I would like to know how to capture a fox for transferring him to
>another part of the woods. he might eat my chickens. I have seen him
>and would like to catch him, but not hurt him. please tell me how to
>do this. thank you.
>
>Foxes being very intelligent creatures will usually just find their
>way back if transferred to a different location. In the UK this is
>illegal since it is cruel and it must be said ineffective. Removing a
>territorial animal away from its territory will only attract another
>fox in. The safest way of guarding your chickens would be electric
>fencing.
>
>
>My friend has given me your email address. I wonder if you can help.
>We feed the squirrels in our garden and last winter we noticed that
>one of them was looking a bit "mangy". He lost the fur along his spine
>(like a reverse mohican) and then all the fur on his back and sides
>fell out. His tail was ok and his legs, but the fur on his tummy also
>looked thin.
>Since then the fur has started to grow back, starting at his neck and
>growing down his body, so he is only half bald now. What can we do to
>help him? We feed peanuts, almonds, hazelnuts, seeds, apples, pears,
>avocados, etc.
>
>We know very little about squirrels and no-one we have asked has been
>able to help so far. None of the other squirrels have been affected.
>Apart from the baldness, the sick squirrel looks very alert and
>lively. Does it sound like mange to you
>
>It certainly sounds like mange. If you can put a peanut butter
>sandwich out or something like that for the squirrel we can send you
>the treatment that will cure the mange. Please send full address and
>details.
>how much does a male red fox weigh?
>Anything up to 8 - 9 kg average weight in pounds would be roughly 14 -
>16 lbs
>
>
>How do I get rid of the fox in my area, to relocate to another area. I
>have two large dogs that want to "get" the fox. So far they have
>been unsuccessful since we have a large fence around the property, but
>it would sure make me feel better if it just went away.
>
>To relocate foxes is illegal and wouldn't solve any problems since if
>you remove one fox another would move into the territory and take it's
>place. You could try using a repellent called Renardine instructions
>for use are on our web site www.nfws.org.uk
>
>
>What is the fox doing when it yells out in the night like a child
>crying for help.
>
>One of two things, it could be the vixen calling to her mate or it
>could be the cubs fighting for their share of the food. Whilst either
>sounds like they are killing each other no harm befalls them
>
>
>Does anyone have any experience with Foxes as house pets?
>
>Yes plenty. Every year we get a dozen or so foxes that have been
>brought up in a house environment. People take a cub on thinking how
>sweet. The cub will usually take to being handled quite well. However
>once the fox get to the age of about 14-16 weeks it goes through a
>stage called neophobia.
>Young children go through the same stage, trusting everyone up until a
>certain age then suddenly bursting into tears if they are handed to a
>stranger. A fox cub on seeing a person who is not an immediate member
>of the family will dart for cover and panic. At 14 - 16 weeks the foxy
>smell will be on everything that doesn't move, and on some things that
>do! Foxes being territorial animals will mark their territory
>frequently i.e. the house and contents and will usually leave their
>dropping near to the door.
>
>Since their liking for chewing leather plastic, wire etc they actually
>become a health hazard in the house in so much as they will chew
>through electric cables without thinking twice. Nice stories of foxes
>having being brought up in a house and then escaping to live a happy
>life are often heard, but in reality the fox escaping will usually
>prove to be a death sentence, as the fox will not only be in another
>fox families territory but it also will not know where to get a
>regular supply of food from.
>
>Invariably Basil the fox will usually be introduced to Bruno the dog
>and they may get on fine, but if the fox escapes suddenly enemy number
>two to a fox is viewed as a friend rather than foe! Unlike a domestic
>dog do something to a fox that it doesn't like and it's way of saying
>no is to bite the nearest piece of exposed flesh, starts getting
>serious when one imagines that children may also be sharing the foxes
>territory.
>
>This is when we usually get called to take on Basil! The householders
>usually say we have now decided he belongs in the wild. Problem number
>one for us is in attempting to integrate the house fox with a litter
>of cubs of the same age. Most fox cubs denied contact with their own
>species will be afraid and will hide away or try to get away. This
>causes the other three or four cubs to investigate the unusual
>behaviour exhibited and the problem then escalates until the cub is
>completely paranoid. Problem two is in attempting to get a fox to be
>afraid of dogs, no easy task! Problem three raises its head when a cub
>will never accept other cubs. Also a problem if the fox escapes.
>
>The main problem here is that you have a fox cub that has bonded with
>one family, and one family only i.e. the householders who dumped him
>on us. So the cub will not only be afraid of other cubs but will also
>be afraid of any person it does not know. A cub that can not be
>rehabilitated or will not accept life in captivity will have to be
>euthanased.
>
>I am sorry if I have rambled, but if just one piece of the above makes
>anyone think twice about taking on a fox as a pet then it will have
>been worth it. I can appreciate anyone having a passion for foxes, but
>surely the passion should be for their welfare not our own selfish
>reasons. Watching foxes in the wild state is a thrill hard to explain,
>its also hard to explain the emotions of observing wild fox cubs
>visiting your garden for their first time, although you may have
>watched generations of them before.
>Please do believe me when I say there is no thrill in watching a
>captive fox pace continually during the night and sometimes during the
>day, pacing out of boredom or the need for freedom.
>
>Follow up reply: I'm a US wildlife lover who is just visiting in this
>news group to learn more about foxes. I think your "ramblings" on this
>subject were eloquent and a propros.
>
>
>We live on a few acres adjacent to town. We are absolutely delighted
>that our back yard brush pile has become the home for a vixen and
>three kits. We are interested in knowing more about foxes, as a
>result. We are curious how long they will stay with us as a group.
>Usually the cubs will abandon their earth in June and start living
>above ground and whilst they will still play together, they will start
>to roam alone or at the very least in pairs.
>
>
>How long the vixen might stay after the young leave?
>
>The vixen will shortly start lying away from the cubs to wean them off
>her milk and onto solid food. The vixen will still be in the area and
>visiting this site nightly long after the cubs have left completely
>What is the usual litter size?
>Between 4 - 5.
>
>
>At what age the kits turn red? (Ours are a dusky gray with dark feet
>and white tail tip. (Approx age 4 - 5weeks)
>
>Roughly five - six weeks
>
>
>What are the chances that she will stay with us or return next year?
>
>If she survives another year, very high.
>
>
>She seems to be quite bold. She watches carefully as we come and go,
>but she doesn't run as we walk to a vehicle 50 ft. from where she
>suns. Are there addition web sites that might offer some general
>knowledge? We are tempted to feed her, but don't want to make her
>either lazy or fat. Thanks you for your help.
>
>Try putting out raisins, foxes love these and they wont get fat on
>them. By spreading the raisins around however will afford you with a
>longer watch.
>
>
>We have recently discovered a fox with 4 cubs in a field near our
>house and have been watching for 3 days. If we leave some food will
>this hurt the cubs later for getting their own food? Do the father and
>mother stay with the cubs we think we've seen the father as well?
>Their beautiful, we found them while camping. Thank You!!
>
>As long as you don't leave to much food down there will be no
>problems. Yes both the vixen and dog fox will tend to the cubs as will
>up to five non-breeding vixens from previous litters.
>
>
>Hello, I have previously contacted yourselves and received the
>homopathic treatment for mange in a visiting fox. The fox is in a very
>poor condition with a large bare patch on its back and sore patches on
>both rumps. I have been treating the fox for about two weeks with
>little success. I have now contacted the RSPCA who have supplied a
>trap. They say that due to the condition of the fox the best course is
>to put it down. I wonder if you agree or would be able to offer an
>alterative. Over the last two/ three months we have been feeding it we
>have become attached in an odd way and would like to do what is best
>for it.
>
>I would not expect to see results from the treatment we send out until
>at least three weeks. During the time of treatment how much worse as
>the fox got since you started treating?
>I would certainly not put a fox down simply because of mange it can be
>successfully treated (please see attached photo's before and after
>treatment). Please, please do not let them catch this fox and kill it.
>Where are you? We can arrange for a cage trap to be brought around to
>you, we will catch the fox, treat it and as long as there were no
>problems the fox would be released in about eight weeks after capture
>please email your phone number and I will call you to discuss.
>
>We own two red fox females, one captive-born the other wild born. The
>wild one is semi-tame, brought to us by coon hunters who found it
>crying in the night at about 8 weeks old.
>
>The problem is the wild one (which is a little over a year old now) is
>showing symptoms of mange. She has lost the hair from her tail and
>starting to lose hair on her hindquarters, though no bare skin is
>apparent anywhere. The tame one shows no symptoms at all. We have no
>permit for the wild one, so veterinary care for her is out of the
>question.
>
>We do not want to risk losing our tame one over taking the other one
>in for treatment. What suggestions do you recommend? Thank you for any
>reply!
>
>
>Any chance of a picture? When you state no bare skin is the hair just
>coming off but fur underneath? It could well be that the fox is
>beginning to go through the summer moult, this usually starts at the
>tail and works its way through the body. Is the fox scratching
>constantly?
>Please reply and if needed I can send you treatment if the condition
>is Sarcoptic Mange.
>
>We have recently had the joy of seeing foxes in our back garden, but
>to our horror a few nights ago we had our family tortoise dug up! I
>wondered if any body else has had similar problems, or if you can
>offer a solution to our problem as the tortoise hibernates outside in
>shallow soil, and doesn't hibernate inside.
>
>I can explain as to why they would do this, but to offer an
>explanation may be more difficult. Foxes when they come across an
>abundance of food, rather than waste it, will bury it. This is usually
>called a cache. Opportunistic foxes may spend their nights raiding
>their families caches. A fox coming across a tortoise underground may
>see this as a cached supply of food and dig it up.
>Certain chemical repellents can possibly be used around the site your
>tortoise has chosen to bury itself. Renardine is by far the best and
>can be obtained from most good garden centres. Use a bucket of sharp
>sand and mix some of the Renardine in the sand until the sand becomes
>slightly discoloured-coloured. Sprinkle the sand around the area.
>Second option: get some garden twine, soak in Renardine over night and
>do some twine lines cordoning off your tortoise's area. Set the twine
>line at about knee height to a fox 'roughly 5 inches'.
>
>I have been advised to check a couple of points before I go ahead:- We
>have a couple of elderly (15 & 17) cats, not to mention those of our
>neighbour's. If they sample the bait, will they be harmed?
>I have not seen our foxes, who frequently bask on a bank at the back
>of our garden, for some weeks, even on a sunny day such as today.
>Should delay until later this spring?
>
>In answering the questions there is no danger from the treatment to a
>cat of any age. We only advise putting the treatment on a jam sandwich
>so the cats don't pinch the treatment. I would not delay at all, mange
>can kill a fox in a matter of between 3 - 4 months
>Are Red fox's endangered?
>
>The answer is simply no they are not. Our work is carried out to help
>the fox population remain healthy. It must also be said that many
>people only start to care when an animal is endangered i.e. the Tiger.
>If more people had the interests of the tigers to heart prior to them
>becoming endangered, it just may not have been allowed to happen.
>We see our role as being the advocates for the foxes
>
>
>
>I have heared people say that foxes kill cats, is this true.
>
>#No, there has never been a reported case of a fox killing a cat.
>Foxes will scavenge dead cats off the road and anyone seeing this
>assumes the fox has killed the cat. I have seen on many occasions a
>fox carrying a marrow bone, never do I jump to the conclusion that the
>fox has killed the cow! Peak calls regarding foxes and cats come in
>during the mating times, because of the blood chilling scream of the
>vixen calling her mate. We then get another load of calls when foxes
>are observed chasing cats in March/April. This is usually the dog fox
>or vixen chasing away a cat from the earth, as cats given the chance
>will play with and kill fox cubs.
>
>
>Finally we get another load of calls stating the foxes are hunting in
>packs after cats. This is usually in July when cubs, although nearly
>the size of adults will still be in the family group and if a cat is
>observed by one of them they will go over for a closer look, usually
>once the cat has scratched them on the nose that's enough to satisfy
>their curiosity. In this case curiosity certainly didn't kill the cat.
>
>
>Do foxes make good pets?
>
>The answer to your question is quite simply no. They are wild animals
>and this is where there belong. To condemn a fox to life behind bars
>just because someone wants a unique pet would be cruel to say the
>least.
>
>
>At what age are foxes mature enough to breed?
>
>Roughly ten months, cubs born in March will usually breed in January
>
>
>My wife and I are very comfortable with the foxes sharing our yard,
>but not everyone is so accepting of their wild neighbors. We would be
>happy to postpone our party if the den! will still be in use but we
>would prefer to have it when scheduled
>
>I honestly do not feel you will have to. Obviously tell the children
>not to play in the holes or put their hands down there, but I am sure
>your party will go brilliantly and the children want be bothered by
>the foxes and likewise.
>The pups are just beginning to turn red and are probably half the
>shoulder height of the mother. And they play out side of the den when
>mom isn't around especially in the morning.
>The vixen will now be lying away from the cubs to wean them off her
>milk onto solid food, hence the reason you see cubs often but without
>mom
>
>
>A friend of mine has a fox den in their yard very close to a horse
>barn and a chicken house. He knows there are 2 cubs in the den. They
>were unaware of this until the fox came after them when they were
>finding the horses. How can they encourage the fox to leave the den
>with her cubs?
>They are definitely animal people and don't want to hurt any of them,
>but they do have animals of their own and don't want anything to
>happen to them
>or their animals and live stock. What would you recommend? How much
>longer will they be there. I believe he just notice them a few days
>ago.
>Any help you can give would be appreciated.
>
>Left to their own devices the cubs will leave the earth usually late
>June. If this is to late then get a product called Renardine. It wont
>hurt the foxes or any others animals but it will deter them. The vixen
>will take the cubs on somewhere else. Usually there are two holes on
>this basis get two bundles of rags, soak the rags in the Renardine and
>loosely block the holes.
>Loosely so anything underground can get out with ease. For the first
>couple of days the rags will be moved just put them back in the holes.
>The indication that the foxes have gone will be that neither sets of
>rags will have been moved for four - five days.
>
>
>We have two vixens (one the daughter of the other) in two separate
>earths both within our garden which is around one third of an acre. We
>have fed the foxes in our garden for many years but this is the first
>time two have decided to move in. The two vixens spar regularly but
>would they kill each other's cubs given the chance? We have found two
>bodies, one with an ear bitten off and skull crushed and one with no
>head at all. Could this be the rival vixens or is it more likely that
>a dog fox has been around? It is very distressing and we pray that the
>little ones will grow quickly so that further attack is less likely. I
>would be interested in joining your organisation if you could also
>send details. Thanks.
>
>It could well be the dominant fox (vixen) ensuring her cubs have the
>better chance of survival, I doubt it would be the work of the dog
>fox. Alternatively if the cubs have died through natural causes the
>other cubs will eat them. The first thing to come off is usually the
>head or ears. If you feed from one area in your garden it may be worth
>placing two or three piles around the garden in different areas, this
>will stop any conflict over food. If however another cub is found dead
>in the meantime it would be kinder to think of deterring one of the
>vixens, if this is the case either email me back and I will describe
>what to do
>
>
>How old are cubs when they leave the den? I have a single fox cub in
>my back yard that appears to be only 3 months old. Is this normal? Or
>have his parents and siblings been killed?
>Usually cubs are born in March and will leave the den around June/July
>weather dependant. Are you sure its a cub??
>Follow on: Definitely a cub. Probably about 15" long tip to tail, and
>less than 8" tall. Furry little thing, more sandy than red, white tip
>on tail, and darker legs. Warbles a bit around dusk before venturing
>out. What is best course of action at this point?
>What may be worth doing is feeding a little food just to help the cub
>out if he is on his/her own. It's unlikely that both parents will have
>died. To see if the cub is not visited by adults leave a couple of
>eggs out in the shell. It's really only the adults that will take
>these away, so if they have gone in the morning then adults are sure
>to be visiting the cub through the night. However it may be worth
>putting out a little dog food and a bowl of water for the cub just in
>case. Please let me know how it all goes and if in doubt, give us a
>shout.
>
>
>I have heard that foxes may kill all the chickens in a yard, yet only
>eat a few. Is this true? Also, why does this happen (fox behavior
>question, I guess)? I was under the impression that animals kill
>(mainly) for necessity.
>I would appreciate any information you could give me. Thank you.
>
>When one talks about foxes the fox and chicken scenario always springs
>up, usually in defense of fox hunting! Imagine for a moment the fox in
>a field, around the corner are twelve birds eating seeds. The fox
>creeps up on the birds and pounces, and is lucky to catch one, eleven
>however fly away. The only time this falls down is if the birds can
>not get away i.e. a chicken coop. The first question to ask if anyone
>brings up the fox and chicken scenario is how do you know it was a
>fox. The answer is usually because they seen the fox return. If the
>fox had killed the chickens it didn't take for pleasure then why is
>the fox coming back. The answer is simple a successful predator will
>kill more than it needs when the opportunity arises so it can store
>them for a day when food may be short i.e. they cache them. This is
>why the fox will come back to the coop, its to take the dead birds
>away and bury them.
>Many predators surplus kill or have at least surplus to their
>immediate requirements. The domestic cat will however much you have
>just fed it, still go out and kill birds, mice etc. A domestic dog
>when its eaten all it can will often be seen trying to bury its food
>either under the carpet or a bone may be buried in the garden. Its
>quite remarkable really when one considers that a Lion, considered by
>most, to be the king of the jungle, will often kill more than it can
>eat at one sitting yet no one questions why one lion will kill a zebra
>when a gazelle would have been more than sufficient.
>
>It amazes me how with today's technical advances that we can speak via
>the computer, we can have board meeting without anyone leaving their
>house, we
>send rockets to planets millions of miles away, yet people still fail
>to be able to protect their chickens from a twelve pound fox. If we
>can keep foxes in our care when we are treating them, surely people
>with chickens can keep them out? Whilst foxes are intelligent animals
>never have I observed one carrying keys. In short if they can not get
>in they can not kill any chickens.
>
>Lastly, how many people go to a supermarket and shop for just one days
>dinner and how many people just go shopping when they are hungry?
>
>Follow on: Thank you so much for you insightful information.
>I am an animal rights activist myself, but the question about
>(foxes) killing more than they need was one of a very select
>few I have not been able to answer. Thank you so much!
>
>A fox (female) regularly comes into my garden, day and night. The
>other night (at about 5am) I was woken by the fox barking persistently
>for about 20 minutes. She was sitting in the middle of the lawn, not
>in distress, but making a lot of noise! Even when I put on the
>security light she did not move, only when I walked down the garden
>did she retreat, but continue barking at a further distance. I left
>her alone as I was satisfied that she was not in distress, which is
>what I originally thought. I would be interested to know why she was
>doing this as she has never shown this behaviour before. I assume it
>was either related to mating or cubs.
>It could possibly be a vixen who will not leave her new born cubs for
>too long so calls to the dog fox to bring her food
>For six weeks we have fed a young vixen, three weeks ago she had four
>cubs. We carried on feeding them, three days ago she vanished the
>earth is secluded and has not been disrupted by anyone. Unfortunately
>we have a lot of cats in the area, in the last few days they have been
>eating the food we have left out for her. Do you think she has been
>frightened off by the cats, I am concerned the cubs may still be in
>the earth. Any ideas?
>To start with I would suggest putting an egg out in the shell near to
>the earth. The cats wont touch the egg, the cubs will be to small to
>pick it up and remove it and the fox is really the only animal that
>will take an egg away in the shell. This will at least give an insight
>as to whether the vixen is still returning to the earth. The vixen
>will sometimes move her cubs up to three times when they are young.
>Also this time of year the vixen will start to lay away from the cubs
>to wean them off her milk onto solid food, this could account for why
>you haven't seen her. Jam or honey sandwiches can be put down, foxes
>love sweet things, cats don't.
>What is the proper name for a fox's den ?
>The proper name is an earth.
>
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>A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict
>By Mitchell G. Bard
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>'You can't win 'em all.'
>Lord Haw Haw.
>
>Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities
>Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities
>I am in the top 0.217% richest people in the world.
>There are 5,986,950,449 people poorer than me
>
>If you're really interested I am the 13,049,551
>richest person in the world.
>
>And I'm keeping the bloody lot.
>
>So sue me.
>
>http://www.globalrichlist.com/
>
>Newsgroup ettiquette
>
>1) Tell everyone the Trolls don't bother you.
>2) Say you've killfiled them, yet continue to respond.
>3) Tell other people off who repsond despite doing so yourself.
>4) Continually talk about Trolls while maintaining
> they're having no effect.
>5) Publicly post killfile rules so the Trolls know
> how to avoid them.
>6) Make lame legal threats and other barrel scraping
> manoeuvres when your abuse reports are ignored.
>7) Eat vast quantities of pies.
>8) Forget to brush your teeth for several decades.
>9) Help a demon.local poster with their email while
> secretly reading it.
>10) Pretend you're a hard *** when in fact you're
> as bent as a roundabout.
>11) Become the laughing stock of Usenet like Mabbet
>12) Die of old age
>13) Keep paying Dr Chartham his fees and hope one day you
> will have a penis the girls can see.
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How true.