Re: Yesterday we received the great news that the Hunting Bill will be reintroduced to the Commons next week.

From: Jill (alpha.hitch_at_virgin.net)
Date: 09/12/04 

Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:08:17 +0100

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:38:43 GMT, "Matthew Maddock"
<matthew.maddock@mmaddock.com> wrote:

>Well said sir!
>
>Personally I don't particularly believe in fox hunting, but neither do I
>
>believe the propaganda banded around my the "anti" group loonies (and
>
>most of them are) purporting to be naturists etc, they are usually townies
>
>who think that eating organic vegetables, and not having a wash means
>
>that they understand the Countryside.

Yawn. Obviously pro hunt unprepared to come out of the closet even
though it sticks out a mile.

>I grew up deep in the West Yorks Countryside surrounded by farms of all
>
>shapes and sizes, I DO understand the Countryside!

Really. Perhaps you could explain foxhunting then, especially given
most occur around arable ranges.

>If you see the mess a fox can make of your pet cat, or farmed chickens/ducks

Very rarely happens, if ever to most of us.

>
>etc. you would not have much sympathy for them. Just because they look
>
>a bit "cute" does not mean they are any less of a nuisance than a rat, and
>no-one

I have more trouble with trolls and pro hunt pricks then rats or
foxes.

>complains about the very pleasant death they endure from poisoning!
>
>
>
>Sorry folks, but to the countryside, foxes are vermin, and nothing more.

Not when I was in the countryside.

>How is hooking a fish by its mouth and dragging it into land against its
>will
>
>any less cruel? - because fish are not cute, and more people are involved
>
>in the "sport", that is how. Believe me, this sort of interference in our
>right to
>
>do as we please will not stop at fox hunting, beware.
>
>Matt.

It's history. Live with it kook. Take up knitting instead.

>"Oz" <oz@farmeroz.port995.com> wrote in message
>news:esNIzwC9wvQBFwPQ@farmeroz.port995.com...
>> In article <amboqk$jmt$1@helle.btinternet.com>, Charlie <Charlie@Farm-
>> direct.co.uk> writes
>>
>> >As for hunting itself I have never been for it when they come crashing
>over
>> >your fields, but never really thought about the foxes as round here there
>> >are far more foxes killed on the roads than are ever caught by the hunt
>it
>> >is just an excuse for people to tear around the country on horses which
>they
>> >could just as easily do without going after a fox.
>>
>> 1) I don't ride a horse.
>>
>> 2) I don't allow the hunt on my land.
>>
>> 3) I rather like foxes, as long as they keep well away from people and
>> chickens (which they never do).
>>
>> 4) I have asked a lot of people who have seen foxes killed by the hunt,
>> both people for and neutral (bordering on anti) foxhunting. They all
>> report death as near instantaneous (which is more than you can say about
>> the foxes victims).
>>
>> 5) There is no doubt in my mind that horses love the hunt. Far too many
>> people who have had horses that have been in a hunt have reported this.
>>
>> 6) In general the anti-hunt people seem not to be country folk and do
>> not seem to understand nature at all well.
>>
>> 7) Given the many and unpleasant ways that foxes would die in the wild I
>> believe the hunt is more humane than nature, and by a long way. The
>> natural way for a fox to die is slowly, thirsty and starving, of
>> disease, injury or old age. Quite frankly this is a very slow and
>> unpleasant way to die.
>>
>> 8) I have used a rifle on rabbits. Like soldiers who can operate with
>> missing limbs for a surprisingly long time, and seriously wounded people
>> who can live with serious injury for days it's quite hard (I would say
>> impossible) to guarantee to kill humanely with a rifle. I thus do not
>> believe that shooting is a humane alternative.
>>
>> 9) Generally, IMHO, foxhunting is not about eradicating foxes and never
>> has been. It basically maintains the population at about the level where
>> the fox does not need to predate on human stock for food. Any that do
>> appear to be specifically hunted down in areas where this facility is
>> required frequently.
>>
>> 10) The anti's seem to be uniformly in three groups:
>> A) Those that through ignorance believe differently to the points above
>> and who are relatively easily convinced otherwise.
>> B) The class warrior who has pretty well no knowledge of nature or
>> hunting but who sees the hunt as comprising the 'ruling classes' and
>> thinks by fighting the hunt he is fighting the ruling classes. This is
>> something the 'ruling classes' are very happy to allow to continue as it
>> keeps them out of their hair.
>> C) Animal rights activists who simultaneously want things natural, want
>> no introduced species and who oppose the removal of introduced species.
>> They are seriously ignorant, seriously schizophrenic and if exposed to
>> nature would soon leave the gene pool.
>>
>> 11) I support the right (and it is a right) for people to do what they
>> wish on their own land so long as it doesn't harm other people.
>>
>> 12) Fishing and shooting is next.
>> Longer term the banning of livestock and pets.
>>
>> --
>> Oz
>> This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.
>>
>> BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.
>> >>Use oz@farmeroz.port995.com<<
>> ozacoohdb@despammed.com still functions.
>>
> 

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