Re: Health issues from foxes

From: Derek Moody (derek-moody_at_farmdirect.com)
Date: 09/17/04 

Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:55:14 +0100

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 14:14:41 +0100, Sacha
<sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On 16/9/04 12:22, in article ljtMo6W+dXSBFw5T@indaal.demon.co.uk, "Malcolm"
><Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> In article <BD6F16AC.3A5B%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk>, Sacha
>> <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>> On 16/9/04 0:26, in article 2004091600262088435@flobalobzetnet.co.uk, "Janet
>>> Baraclough.." <janet.and.john@flobalobzetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The message <BD6E2A4E.3987%sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk>
>>>> from Sacha <sacha@weedsgarden506.fsnet.co.uk> contains these words:
>>>>
>>>>> Not one fox will be saved - rather the contrary - but many thousands of
>>>>> dogs
>>>>> and probably horses will have to be put down, tens of thousands of jobs
>>>>> will
>>>>> be lost
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to imagine that any payments received for fox kills are the
>>>> basis of hunt economics. If people wish to continue hunting on horseback
>>>> with dogs across land whose owners agree, surely drag-hunting is the
>>>> obvious way to preserve all those lives and jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Janet.
>>> From what my hunting friends tell me, re-training current dogs is next to
>>> impossible as is fluffy suggestions of turning them into pets. It might be
>>> possible to get them to follow a dragged scent but given the whiff of a fox
>>> they'll be off!
>>
>> What a splendid admission of poor training! But anyway it is untrue. I
>> think you should inform your hunting friends that calling hounds off the
>> scent of a fox is something that any huntsman worthy of the name has to
>> be able to do if, for example, the fox has headed for a motorway or
>> railway, or some other no-go area. I think you will also find that
>> calling the hounds off the scent is actually one of the ploys used by
>> hunter saboteurs.
>
>Of course hounds can be called off the scent of a fox.

There you go then.

> We're talking about
>hounds that might *prefer* the scent of fox to that of a drag and the
>subsequent confusion that could arise. Centuries of breeding have gone into
>training hounds to hunt *Foxes*.

Actually dogs don't need centuries to train for anything and it
certainly isn't a compulsion or many of our now domestic pets would
still be looking for wolves, bears, hogs etc. I could imagine fifi
diverting instinctively to get the bears in London Zoo..... sigh.

>>
>>> As to the horses I'm sure they could be ridden at drag
>>> hunts but will the farmers be happy to make the necessary arrangements for
>>> hunts to use their land if it's no longer of benefit to them?
>>
>> Presumably the answer could be yes, where the farmers are members of the
>> hunt, or their landlords are.
>
>It would still need to be worth their while to take the time and trouble.
>So I don't think presumptions can be made.
>In any case, the entire point of hunting is to eradicate vermin.

Quite untrue.

> It's very
>possible that hunting farmers and/or their landlords will see no point in
>drag hunts which are of no help to the farmer.

Many farmers are paid to allow hunting, and handsomely.

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