Re: I'm back with twenty hens

From: Christina Websell (spamfree_at_tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: 10/16/04 

Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:31:24 +0100

"ex WGS Hamm" <alpha.bitchREMOVETHIS@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "ex WGS Hamm" <alpha.bitchREMOVETHIS@virgin.net> wrote in message
>> news:Z2ccd.1072$2q.1020@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
>> >
>> > " Jill." <news@REMOVETHISkintaline.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:1097936279.2142.0@sabbath.news.uk.clara.net...
>> >> ex WGS Hamm wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I meant that if a dog of any kind has chased and caught a chicken,
>> >> > there is a good chance it will do it again when it gets the
>> >> > opportunity.
>> >>
>> >> aye
>> >> and with a careful watch and training they can also become completely
>> > immune
>> >> to them
>> >> We have one here who was homed elsewhere as a pup - he was so well
>> >> behaved
>> >> that after only a couple of weeks they went away for the morning
> leaving
>> > him
>> >> in a standard fenced garden. He got bored - hopped over the fence and
>> > killed
>> >> a number of chickens.
>> >> He came back to us and after some retraining he and the other four
>> >> dogs
>> > have
>> >> run freely around our place in amongst anything from 10 to 1000 birds
> for
>> >> the past 10 years.
>> >> Most dogs can be trained not to kill or chase and often an incident as
>> >> Jay
>> >> has had is one of the best steps in that process. Its the one time
>> >> when
>> > the
>> >> heavens [and you] can descend on the dog and really let him know that
>> >> this
>> >> is unacceptable behaviour.
>> > I agree that it can be trained out of some dogs by some owners. My lot
> are
>> > good around my birds. The giant schnauzer wasn't when she was young and
> no
>> > amount of beatings, or any other punishments stopped her. It took an
>> > animal
>> > psychologist and an electric training collar to stop the behaviour
>> > after
> a
>> > year of my tearing my hair out and her digging into or jumping into the
>> > poultry yard and mauling birds.
>> > She is now 10 years old and I trust her implicitly with my poultry and
>> > would
>> > happily leave her in the poultry yard overnight. The terrier cannot be
>> > trusted however. He just cannot help himself.
>> > My collie X GSD has never shown the slightest interest in poultry.
>> > What I was trying to get across in the post was that if the OP's dog
>> > has
>> > done it once, she will have to be on the alert as it often takes more
> than
>> > one 'ton of bricks' to get the message across. Depending on the
> individual
>> > dog's temperament of course.
>> > Crikey it's almost like legal speak where one has to add clauses and
>> > sub
>> > clauses to cover all eventualities instead of a post being taken
> literally
>> > and nothing more read into it :0)
>> >
>> >
>> Molly, often your posts sound really unfriendly. I know that you are
> giving
>> good advice, but if you could do it without sounding that we were all bad
>> chicken mothers and you were cross with us, it'd be nice and helpful.
>>
> Usenet is like that I suppose.

No.
> You cannot see facial expressions.

Yes. That's why you have to be careful.

> I type exactly as I speak. Not meant in an unfriendly manner but if it is
> taken as such what am I supposed to do.

Try to make it sound more like friendly advice, and not so much "you are
wrong"

 I have never been one for flowery
> speech or dressing up a simple statement.
> As someone said on another newsgroup, the world seems to consist of
> 'blunties' and 'softies'. I guess I am a 'bluntie' :0)
>
>
I am not asking for flowery speech. What I am asking for is that you be a
bit kinder with your advice. (which is good)
Most people who post here are kind to their animals, and are genuinely
asking for advice. The last thing they need is to be blasted and suspected
of abuse.
Could you try it?
(hugs, molly)

Tina

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