Re: No animals "benefit" from farming (wrong!)

From: lin (ktnil_at_KAZMOMX2woh.rr.com)
Date: 02/25/05 

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:47:12 GMT

<dh_ld@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:11:03 GMT, "lin" <ktnil@KAZMOMX2woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><dh_ld@nomail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 05:03:57 GMT, "lin" <ktnil@KAZMOMX2woh.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If *any* of you insist on carrying out a debate like this (although it
>>>>certainly does not fit the parameters of any educated "debate" I've ever
>>>>seen), you ALL should yank out yer library cards & do a little reading
>>>>up
>>>>on
>>>>yer basic Philosophy.
>>>
>>> If you believe there are some philosophical ideas that need to be
>>> introduced, then you need to introduce them. If you can't, then stop
>>> telling other people to do it for you.
>>
>>I don't really give a rat's ass *what* you guys believe in,
>
> So far you're pathetic...
>
>>or about your
>>ridiculous little hissy fits w/ each other -
>
> ....and still you suck....
>
>>other than the fact that I'm
>>not sure *why* you had to drag it into alt.pets.ferrets.
>
> ....still extremely lame....
>
>>I know what *I*
>>know, because I pick up a real honest-to-God *book* once in a while.
>
> ....you're still pathetic....
>
>>Perhaps
>>you all should go educate yourselves, too, because you all are making
>>yourselves look really silly.
>
> ....you have pretty much hit the bottom, proven that you have no
> clue what you wish you were talking about, and have shown that
> you're the type person who never has anything of value to offer. All
> that while you were trying to bitch.

My, my, my - how intelligent. Apparently Wry Repartee is on vacation this
wk, eh?

>>If that's too hard a concept for you folks to
>>get a grip on, that's *your* problem, not mine.
>
> You involved yourself acting as if you know more about this than
> we do, but have proven that you don't even know what you think
> you're talking about. You suck at this. I only mean that in the best
> way of course, and am encouraging you to at least get some idea
> what you're trying to write about, before you try writing about it.
> That's just an idea you might try sometime. And if you try it soon
> enough, you might even be able to contribute to the discussion.

Look. The college where I teach charges $499 per credit hr. I'm in the
middle of calculating & posting midterms. And you want me to take my time to
give you a free lecture in Philosophy?

Ok, fine. I'll give you the "For Dummies" version. You were discussing
whether "life" is a benefit to a farm (or any other sort of) animal.

Define "life". Define "existence". Please.

Taken from a Philosophy dictionary (albeit an old one) I happen to have
laying around here, this is the crux of the biscuit, as it were.
Metaphysics -

"The branch of philosophy concerned with providing a comprehensive account
of the most general features of reality as a whole; the study of being as
such. Questions about the existence and nature of minds, bodies, god, space,
time, causality, unity, identity, and the world are all metaphysical issues.
>From Plato onwards, many philosophers have tried to determine what kinds of
things (and how many of each) exist. But Kant argued that this task is
impossible; he proposed instead that we consider the general structure of
our thought about the world. Strawson calls the former activity revisionary,
and the latter descriptive, metaphysics."

Got that? You should - you're all so friggen smart, & that *is* a very
undetailed, basic, 100-level definition. Ok, going on. How the hell do *you*
expect to even be able to *define* existence? You can't do it; all of the
major philosophers can't (or couldn't) do it; even today's scientists &
doctors can't do it.

Please. Define "existence" for all of us. Cos if you *can* come up w/ a
definition everyone can agree w/, you'll have the Nobel Prizes for Science,
Literature, *&* Peace in yer back pocket by this time next yr. You'll have
solved all the major problems of the world - whether abortion is murder or
not, whether organ transplants are ethical, whether a person in a high-level
coma should be kept alive or be allowed to die (like Karen Ann Quinlan, who,
once she *was* disconnected, didn't die anyway!), whether capitol punishment
should be abolished, etc. You'll have ALL the answers! You, & you alone,
will be the only person in History to have figured it all out. Won't you
just be hot *** on a stick?

I'll tell you what I tell my students: If you plan to come to class to
debate something, make sure you PICK UP A BOOK FIRST & have at least *some*
basic understanding of the subject at hand, or else you'll only succeed in
forcing the rest of the class run you over w/ the Clue Bus.

Now, kindly shut up & take your discussion somewhere where it might be
appreciated (or at least entertained). As for me, as this thread have become
a total ego war, pardon me whilst I ignore it. But right now, I'm gonna eat
a couple chocolate kisses, just so I can *** w/ my unborn great-great-great
grandchildren's complexions.

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