Re: How is the bird flu effecting the small chicken producer
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Date: 03/16/05
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 08:31:42 -0700
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:57:30 -0000, " Jill."
<news@REMOVETHISkintaline.co.uk> wrote:
>laurie (Mother Mastiff) wrote:
>>> I can really understand the concern -- BUT
>>> until [when] this virus mutates into the form that CAN go pandemic
>>> its only
>>> an theoretical problem
>>
>> It has done in the past.
>
>I know Laurie :~)))
> - my mother was a specialist in public health :~))
>and I have been posting things on and off about it.
>That is why I said until [when] -- its going to happen and its very scary
>but there is no risk until then and then the risk is human to human not
>backyard chook in the US or UK to human
>
>The avian flu you have in the US is the wrong strain - its not one that has
>mutated like that
>
>So was this poster trying to stir up a hornets nest ?
>Very interesting that there has been NO response from the OP
>Troll - me thinks
No, actually, a legitimate concern (for me). I am planning my start
into small flock raising and was concerned about the avian flu and
what the buzz was in the fowl production market. I was wondering if
there were going to be restrictions on shipping birds.
thanks for the great discussion. . .
Hal
>
>The terrible international Influenza
>> epidemic of 1918 (which caused my mother to be born at home in the
>> US, the hospital was overflowing and the doctor told my grandmother
>> that she and the baby, if exposed, were at greater risk to die)
>> reportedly came from infected poultry.
>
>Yes - that is why they are all SO so scared
>But there are only certain strains that are close enough
>
>> A couple of times in recent years, there HAS been a species jump of
>> AI from fowl to humans and swine in Hong Kong. I remember the ProMed
>> reportage.
>
>Its happening every month in Asia at the moment
>
>> In this case, apparently drinking fresh duck blood is some rite of
>> spring or gourmet treat in Vietnam, and several recent reports of
>> affected people have noted that they drank raw duck's blood, and that
>> was the probable route of infection.
>
>Most of the cases are handling birds or handling patients who have got it
>- raising poultry is HUGE HUGE business over there
>Most of it is for export markets.
>
>>
>> However, once an adaptable disease has jumped species and adapted to
>> a human host, it may also be transmissible from human to human.
>
>Yes -- but it is VITAL to remember and include that it is not the strains
>that hit the continental Europeans each year nor the ones that circulate
>around the United States seemingly endlessly - someone somewhere has it.
>While high welfare practises are important THESE birds are not suddenly
>going to pass flu to their owners.
>The Asian strain is a different beast altogether.
>It is
>
>> In Vietnam 1,500,000 birds have been seized and destroyed this year.
>
>Previous years it was many many millions across Asia
>
>> Are some affected regions not depopulating?
>
>They have already tried that but cannot afford to do it again - it very
>much looks like they are trying to live with it and attempting to enforce
>some sort of biosecurity controls
>This is almost worthless ifyou have a look at the way these birds are
>reared -- completely open to the elements nad interaction with wild birds
>and people without precautions. Hundreds of thousands of birds in small
>spaces often kept over water so the droppings feed fish --
>
>Biosecurity !!!!!!!
>Its a joke but the economies cannot afford to cull again -- it cannot afford
>the compensation or loss of income
>
>They are bringing out all sorts of herbal concoctions -- I heard of one of
>fermented something with ginger and garlic !!! which was reported the other
>day to have improved the health of chickens who were infected with the AI so
>was going to be tried on a large scale!!!!!!!!!!!1
>WHY are these birds being allowed to live
>Have the WHO completely lost thier grip on world health
>
>Its too scary for words -- but having birds in your back garden is not
>
>>
>> I'm thick from lack of sleep, could you please paraphrase that? Are
>> you saying that EU and USA companies have AI already? Or that they
>> are located where they are at risk?
>>
>
>No --- sorry
>I am saying that while the EU and the US are making righteous noises about
>not importing meat from China so not putting thier public at risk, that
>China is not where most of the meat that is imported comes from.
>Thailand and the other asian countries are where most of the EU and US
>companies are rearing much of their meat nowadays. It arrives in our
>countries as prepacked meals, or portions, so they say there is no risk.
>These countries may not be the place it started but they are HEAVILY
>involved and affected.
>But heaven help any western company being affected economically -- no no
>that would not do!!! cynic me -- never :~)
>
>
>> Oh, I have a draft web page up now for my dark eggers, visit it if
>> you have a chance!
>
>the sig stripper removed it so I am including it again for you
>www.mothermastiff.com
>
>Hope you get things sorted soonest :~)
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