Re: old timer techniques
- From: "pammyt" <fenwoman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:08:44 +0100
" Jill" <news@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I have some of these magazines from the 1920's also pig and cattle books.
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"Jill" <new@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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So all the old local poultry keepers I talk to are telling my lies?
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"Ray Turner" <RayTurner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Anyone know of an accurate source of info on how the old-timers raisedIn the old days chickens were likely not wormed and deloused.
chickens? I'm looking for info on feed, parasites/cures,
diseases/cures,
protection, old coop designs and general practices?
Yes they were
Just because the people you spoke to have told you something does not make
it necessarily generally true
If you look in the old magazines, poultry annuals, and books there are
plenty of medications which would have been effective
The impression I get is that yes, there were some remedies about. How
effective they were is disputable and some were downright dangerous, but
the average backyard keeper and small holder would not have been able to
afford them.
Knowing the knowledge about herbs going back 3-5,000 years the chances areSo are you saying that the old chap didn't say it or that he did say it but
garlic has been a wormer for as long
There are plenty of medications going back hundreds of yearsplease elaborate
If they were
the stuff was either ineffective or dangerous.
Not at all
Buy some old books and annuals - read them
You made an unsubstantiated statement yourself
I have some books here that suggest otherwise
There are plenty of others
Herbal medicines, for instance, have been used for many thousands of years
with great skills and efficacy
indeed, yet wormwood, which was used for worming is dangerous, monkshood
will kill, foxgloves which are fine for heart problems in experienced
hands, can kill. Herbal does not mean safe.
see my first comment
Most old time poultry keepers
I know (over 70 years of age) don't believe in worming poultry and
refuse to use antibiotics too because it weakens them.
Not at all
and my response
is telling lies?
potatoes give them fibre and carbohydrates just as they do humans. I use
A good strong bird will throw
off disease and live with worms, a weak one dies.
There were just as many different kinds of stockmen and women as there
are now
There were as many different reasons for keeping / breeding and
selecting
More potions and concotions with as good/bad/indifferent results as now
They probably did not cost as much
What would you do if you could no longer buy feed at the (insert storeI get my layers pellets deleiver by the tonne but if I didn't I would
name here)?
use boiled potatoes, grains and add pulses to increase the protein
levels.
Potatoes give the birds nothing.
boiled spuds with other bits added as a warm mash in winter time. It keeps
weight on them too in the cold. We will have to disagree .
Yes but lack of money means I need to spend my money elsewhere and besides,Modern grains in the UK available to domestic poultry keepers are prettyI didn't think I had to mention good husbandry because that is a given
low protein
If the poultry ration was unavailable then the chances are any small
quantities of high protein pulses, alfalfa, fishmeal etc woud be nil
What would you do if medicated feed was no longer availableI would use unmedicated chick crumbs and cider vinegar in the water and
for chicks?
cross my fingers.
Good husbandry is better than crossed fingers
surely?
Well what can I say. I know lots of old farm workers and pultry keepers
The examples of husbandry you have learnt about from the past are
Luckily, we have no need to resort to old fashioned ineffective methods
since better, more efficient methods are available cheaply which allow
us to keep our birds in better conditions than was the case all those
years ago.
obviously very poor in comparison to what was really happening.
since this is a very rural area. One chap in particular shows a
particular breed very sucessfully and has done for 70 years. He has
started to give up his birds now and let me buy a trio off him. The first
thing I do with any new birds here is quarantine and worm them. One hen
died and he was adamant that it was worming them which killed her. He is
one of many old men who say that they never worm or treat birds because
it weakens them or propogates weak birds. He said only a fit strong bird
can fight off disease and will be allowed to breed.
He is right in his ideas of breeding stong healthy stocks
That does not mean that there were no wormers nor that others did not use
them
It would be more helpful if instead of simply typing "not at all" you
actually elaborated and got some dsort of dialoge going. I don't mind
being told I am wrong if the person can do so with some kind of
argument/debate/proof of why they believe so.
I agree but as I said this is a fascinating subject for the winter when we
have time -- but not in the middle of the summer when I can snatch the odd
moment here
There are plenty of books that come up on Ebay over the year that would
broaden your experience
what is usenet for if not reasoned debate where *everyone* learns something?
That plus I do enjoy arguing.
:0)
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