Re: blotchy shells

eggbox wrote:
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eggbox wrote:
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rumblings wrote:
There are quite a few comments in his feedback about what a fantastic setup he has (but to date, not one indicating successful hatching this year). Did you buy on Ebay?? If not is it possible you got eggs from his younger hens?? One purchaser says his eggs were very large and lumpy as if they came from old hens. He had one double yolker. I had an 87gm egg in the first batch. I thought it looked like a double yolker but Chipy-Chicks says it wouldn't be as the double yolkers he gets are pushing 100gms and over. It failed to hatch however - as did the whole batch.

I pick up my eggs and order them via phone. He selectively breeds the Barred
Rocks for large eggs and quantity, so I know you're wrong about old hens
laying them, they are large eggs and the 2 breeding pens he has have
extremely healthy looking birds.

OK so I wonder what the explanation is for A. The transulcent areas of his shells, B. The fact that a good proportion of the eggs are wrinkly.


Selcetively breeding in itself can only be done from 2nd years hens at the very least, otherwise you have no records of the birds to select from.

yes


I saw pullet eggs from his Barred Rocks
last year that were bigger than any other breeds even in the first year of
lay. I think you need to refer to what Jill has pointed out about posting
eggs, as he's a genuine breeder, not someone who would sell you eggs from
old hens.

Sorry I don't follow the logic of this.



He's passionate about his poultry and in particular the utility
lines he breeds.

Good


I don't use eBay, but I have seen the feedback, which TBH is pretty
impressive for hatching eggs.

I'm surprised at you saying that when there is not a single mention of successful hatching this year. People tend to leave feedback on his excellent presentation and delivery when receiving the eggs and then blame themselves when the eggs don't hatch. He makes a big thing of how if the eggs are fertile and don't hatch it is the fault of the incubation. The comments here on the quality of his shells however indicate that this is wrong - poor shell quality can allow infection in which would kill off a developing embryo.

To get back to Ebay Feedback, I was tempted to leave it myself after he replaced the eggs - couldn't believe the replacements would be duds as well. You can see that one person at least has left follow up feedback on receiving replacements for failed eggs and he mentions 4 out of 6 fertile in his follow up feedback - well he is down to one still viable out of 12 now - with hatching still a few days away.



At some point you have to take on board some
responsibility yourself, ie: the price you pay at auction is set by you, and incubation is under your control, post is under no ones control. I don't personally see how a seller can be held responsible for others actions?

I can't understand why you've had such difficulty hatching them, shell quality alone is not a reason why an egg fails,

Do you not believe that poor shells allow infection in and that this kills of the chicks??



there are many factors to take in to account, especially when using a forced enviroment such as an incubator. It doesn't matter what quality of shell you have if cleanliness isn't paramount in the incubator. I'm not saying this has been your problem as none of us could ever know, but they are other considerations before you go blaming someone else for failures.

This is a red-herring Mr Nico Shuurman, as the issue is that your eggs don't hatch when in the same incubator with eggs that do - as many if not all of your purchasers this year have found.



As I
said, Jill has pointed out the problems you face by receiving eggs in the
post, and as she quite rightly says, incubation is a "black art". It does sound/look like these eggs don't travel well, and it's still early in the
year to be hatching, although my own results have been good.

Why don't you ask him if you can visit?


Because he was extremeley rude and threatening on the phone. He was furious at me having the temerity to contact his customers and discover the true results.


He always has growers and POL
available, save yourself the trouble of hatching and buy some pullets or a
decent utility cockerel from him to get yourself started? It's worth the visit just to see the excellent stock.

I like hatching.



Anyway, good luck with your futures endeavours, poultry breeding is full of ups n downs we have to learn to cope with, but when you get things right it feels very good and makes the problems pale it to insignificance. There's a saying goes like this "people who don't make mistakes don't do anything"

All the best eggbox ;-)

Too true. I hope I've learnt from this expensive mistake.
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