Re: blotchy shells

rumblings wrote:

Having rested them, candled them before setting, and set them you
made the choice to accept them as fit to set

I accepted the eggs as fit for the purpose but now, looking at the
bigger picture it seems they were not. I didn't like the look of them
but I was not knowledgeable enough to reject them on appearance. Are
you saying that all the Ebay buyers who bought them in good faith and
believed them to be fit for the purpose deserve what they got because
they set them instead of returning them??

At some point one has to take a product or reject it.
I have ordered things [anything] mail order and been disappointed in the
product. Some I have returned but often one just accepts that if one lives
in the boonies so cannot get to a shop to have hands on then one takes a
calculated risk.
For us its part of living in the part of the world we do.



and as eggs you would want to perpetuate
in your breeding stock.

I didn't know that shell quality was highly heritable - or even that
it was important. I've just learned that in this thread - so I don't
think your statement is fair.

sorry, I was assuming you had some experience about these things. I misread
your depth of knowledge from your previous statements and from the numbers
of different eggs you have clearly handled just through your Ebay account.



The candling before would have shown the areas of shell weakness
whether it was caused by the hen or by the post office.

Can you give more detail?? I still have the eggs and would like to be
able to determine this.

Determine what?
You cannot determine which caused the problem without travelling down to his
place with a candler and candling his eggs as they come out of the hen.
But its certainly normal practise to candle eggs before setting them
wherever they come from.


OK. So why do these eggs consistently fare worse in the post than
others??

As I have explained location can do it.

see above - and I'd also ask if this would apply to vegetable seeds -
Take an example of an Ebay seller selling non viable seeds. They may
look OK to the layman's eye so would you say that by planting them he
has accepted them??

Seeds are another very grey area, germination is as black an art as
incubation. The sellers cannot be responsible for the shipping or what
someone does with them.
Probably neither should be sold through Ebay -- eggs CERTAINLY should not as
they ARE live animals under every law.
And because by selling them such a system there is too much room for
problems caused by both sellers and by buyers.
Hatching eggs are always going to create a lot of angst.
There can NEVER be any guarentees and there can never be any security. That
is not a situation that Joe Public is comfortable with.

OK the eggs are
different as the shell faults are visible but the average buyer can't
be expected to realise the significance of them.

WHY !!!!! -- for goodness sake. Why cannot people become moderately
informed?
Thats like saying an average buyer is not meant to realise that bald tyres
on a second hand car might be dangerous.

And why should people just breed and breed and breed without any
consideration of quality or selection or anything.
Whatever mistakes this breeder has or has not made at least he is making a
serious effort to do something worthwhile with his birds instead of
replication for no end. Gone are the days when a breeder could afford
hundreds of birds, and all that went with that sort of scale of operation.
We desparately need more like him, however small. With the recent hike in
feed prices we are going to loose more good small breeders.

--

regards
Jill Bowis

Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment, Books, Videos, Gifts
Herbaceous; Herb and Alpine nursery
Working Holidays in Scotland
http://www.kintaline.co.uk


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