Re: Woolly Neanderthals?

From: Lee Olsen (paleocity_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 07/09/04 

Date: 9 Jul 2004 10:10:57 -0700

"deowll" <deowll@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<WmiHc.34919$w56.14370@bignews1.bellsouth.net>...
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> > > "Lee Olsen" <paleocity@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > "deowll" <deowll@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > > > > "Anne Gilbert" <kebara@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xvidnTlWt9iXH37dRVn-sQ@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Pauline:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believe there is such evidence, but at the moment I can't put my
> hand to
> > > > > > it. I know there is microwear analysis of some tools that show
> that
> certain
> > > > > > "denticulate" tools were used for woodworking.
> > > > > > Anne G
> > > > > >
> > > > > One of the first ones I can recall reading about was done for the
> Leakeys.
> > > > > Mary was the tool person. She had done a lot of naming and sorting
> based
> on
> > > > > the shape of the cobble after the flakes had been knocked off from
> one
> chip
> > > > > to many and from one side or both sides. She had really put a lot of
> time
> > > > > and effort into it and the lab guy said. No ma'm the pebble is just
> a
> blank
> > > > > or core they knock blades off to cut things with. Most of them have
> never
> > > > > been used as tools. I think it was something like one in five. Ouch!
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you cough up just were you read that. Maybe you've been
> > > > reading too many dime novels?
> > > >
> > > It was while I was in college I think so that would be over 33 years
> ago. As
> > > I noted this was a "new thing" at the time so the Leakey's were using a
> kid
> > > working on his phd to do the work if I'm recalling correctly. They did
> not
> > > know how to do this sort of thing themselves. It may have been
> Scientific
> > > American. I recall the grapics were all black and white in the article.
> It
> > > wasn't a dime novel because they don't use the ultra white paper nor are
> any
> > > of the ones I've read provided with nice black and white pictures like
> > > these. It was the first time any of these tools had ever been subjected
> to
> > > this process which is what made it so exciting.
> > >
> > > At the time the Leakey's were still having trouble getting some people
> to
> > > believe they even had tools rather than rocks with chips knocked off by
> a
> > > cow hoof or something. As it turned out they were most often cores but
> they
> > > didn't know that until afterwards.
> > >
> > > Try running a google search under Leakey and oldiwan. You might get
> lucky
> > > but more than likely you would need to hit the stacks. I'm afraid Mary
> and
> > > Louis are both dead so trying to get information from them may be hard
> to
> > > do.
> >
> >
> > Spinning tales based on a 33-year-old-faulty memory and backed up by a
> > secondary source that you can't recall the name of is not much of a
> > credibility advertisement. The person you are trying to recall is
> > Peter Jones and I don't have to hit the stacks because I already have.
> > A person doesn't have to go so far afield as Google, all they have to
> > do is run a sap search under 'Peter Jones Lee Olsen' and 'Leakey Lee
> > Olsen' (no luck will be required) and the readers of sap will see I'm
> > getting my information from primary sources and you are getting yours
> > from dime novels until you prove otherwise. You made the accusation
> > and your story is flawed. You made the accusations, either prove them
> > or make a retraction.
> >
> >
> It was a published article in a highly respected

Respected by who, a college student?

> mag of the time.

Mag rhymes with rag.

> They wrote
> the bleeping thing with the approval and help of the people they wrote
> about.

So, that proves the statements made by you, that are so vague as to be
worthless, are correct? You can't remember the name and date of the
mag, so that proves you remember what's in it is correct?

> It was well researched and documented at the time

So think college students?

> and no retractions
> were made.

Since nothing you said above is correct (or escapes your memory, like
the name of the mag, lab guy), I can't imagine why they would make any
retractions.

> That would be a primary source unless the rules have changed.

You can't be serious. Magazines are secondary. Magazines with
forgotten titles and dates are a step below that.

> I
> don't remember accusing anyone of anything other than thinking the cores
> where the tools and not knowing the flakes were which was a natural enough
> mistake

Prove that she made a natural enough mistake. Oh yeah, an unknown "lab
guy said" in an unknown mag, with an unknown date said.....

>and even right part of the time.

Pretty scientific, what part of the time? Oh yeah, deowll thinks: "it
was something like one in five. Ouch!" Well one in five 'use' would be
an extremely high number, proving conclusively it was a tool.

>I'll stand by that because that is
> mainly why I recalled the article.

You can stand by any, I don't remember where I got the information,
but I remember the details of it, crap as long as you like.

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