Re: Article: Neanderthals Grow Fast, Die Young

From: deowll (deowll_at_bellsouth.net)
Date: 08/05/04 

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:01:56 -0500

"Su Solomon" <susol@zemail.com> wrote in message
news:4111E71C.29D7@zemail.com...
> firstjois wrote:
> >
> > deowll wrote:
> > >> "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
> > >> news:guXNc.20930$K53.10893@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >>> Neanderthals Grow Fast, Die Young
> > >>> By Jocelyn Selim
> > >>> July 26, 2004
> > >>>
> > [snip]
> >
> > >>
> > >> However the real rate at which modern humans mature is all over the
> > >> ball park and as matter of culture the most widespread date for
> > >> marriage in most older cultures for moderns was 13 for girls and a
> > >> year or three more for males. One group went as low as 11 for girls
> > >> with a smiliar reduction for males.
> >
> > Probably true and you know that when these things are discussed they are
> > usually discussed in terms of whatever is average. When discussing the
> > Neanderthals wouldn't there be some possibility of greater uniformity
than
> > we have today? They lived in a pretty small area, "standard" climate,
ate
> > the same foods, lived the same way, and so on. We live all over the
> > planet, eat all kinds of different and weird stuff in different
> > proportions - might make a difference in maturation rates.
> >
> > Jois
>
>
> Jois,
>
> Australian Aboriginal teeth eruption pattern is much earlier then
> ours. Eleven to twelve yr old girls, who are still pre-pubescent, have
> all their adult teeth at this age.
>
> So I guess, if you have all your teeth at a youngish age, then the tooth
> enamel would also reflect this. Australian Aborigines do live to ages
> commensurate with ours, providing they receive the same health care, or
> are still living a fairly good hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
>
> People I lived with for over 5 years (Southern Pitjantjantantjara) had a
> number of their population over the age of 80 (that is out of a
> community of about 60 people, there were 8 that I knew of that were this
> age, and a similar number who were healthy 70 yr olds) Mind you all
> these people had been born in the bush, had led traditional lives and
> had had minimal European contact (apart from the testing of the A-Bomb
> at Maralinga!)
>
> So, if we are going to say that Neanderthals appeared to live short
> brutish lives, achieving adulthood at a young age, then what are we to
> say of Aborigines who have an early tooth eruption (and one must assume
> an concommitant tooth enamel history) without an early pubescence and
> managing to live, on the whole, to a hearty old age?
>

That is a point I noticed earlier but didn't mention in this thread. Linking
tooth erupiton to life stage events in a population with hyper robust teeth
may be a mistake. They may need those teeth and have been selected to have
"mature" teeth at an earlier age to allow for better nutrition.

> Cheers,
>
> Su

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