Re: Good science and evidence? Lot of crap!

From: Oriel36 (geraldkelleher_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 08/24/04 

Date: 24 Aug 2004 05:13:59 -0700

"Jonathan" <j0nathan@home.net> wrote in message news:<5PmdnWRh2NWxGLfcRVn-iw@giganews.com>...
> "Ed Conrad" <edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:ov2hi09le57tnivdu4dopqbt43f0n9mmah@4ax.com...
> > >
> > >
> > On 2 May 2001 18:12:35 -0400, "Gregg" <cybertigger1@msn.com> wrote
> > to talk.origins. My reply is better late than never.
> > >
> > > evolution is backed up by plenty of good science and evidence,
> > >
> > Hardly the case!
>
>
> Hello Ed, my hobby is the mathematics of evolution. I can assure
> you evolution is a tangible and pervasive property of the
> universe. In fact, all organization in the universe, material
> or living, owes it's existence to the tendencies of evolutionary
> forces.
>
>
> The 'integral' of evolutionary mathematics is found in random
> boolean networks. A nice intro is here.
>
> An Introduction to Complex Systems
> Torsten Reil, Department of Zoology, University of Oxford
> http://users.ox.ac.uk/~quee0818/complexity/complexity.html
>
>
> The basic idea is that given enough complexity and interaction
> any system will self-organize. It does so spontaneously, and
> this tendency to organize and adapt is now shown mathematically
> to be the final probable state of any complex dynamic system
> living or otherwise.
>
>
> The utter simplicity of evolution, and the universe, is easy
> to see. The second law provides increasing complexity
> and interaction by breaking things down into smaller
> units. The increasing variability and interaction that
> results are the driving forces for self-organization and
> evolution. This tentative 'fourth law' of thermodynamics
> provides symmetry with the second.
>
> A nice review of the major topics of the mathematics
> of evolution is here.
>
> Self-Organizing Systems (SOS) FAQ
> http://www.calresco.org/sos/sosfaq.htm
>
>
> An online book being taught at the graduate level at
> MIT is here. It explains this new science quite
> thoroughly. It's a science so new most in this
> ng haven't even heard of it, let alone understand
> it.
>

This new science is just a different form of creationism for most
people respect that there are natural balances which condition the
emergence of humanity which can appreceate them.These balances have
been known for millenia,Plato mentions it so does Kepler but the
geometry to which these balances tend do not suffer the brutish
mentality to pin them down and turn them into a form of ultility or a
tool for humanity.Do so and the balances wither and die,love something
as it is and it will remain where simplicity is just a beautiful as
complexity.

http://people.ucsc.edu/~erowland/divine.jpg

The seashell which served the geologist in his endeavor so many years
ago also serves those good enough to appreceate the strife between
harmony and invention and what good becomes of it.You,like the
fundamentalist never seem to learn the lesson,for all the hoopla of
the advancement of science and placing order in nature,it has produced
the opposite effect and seen the rise of fundamentalism to
boot,sometimes hard enough to tell the difference between you.

Above all,it seems none of you love nature,it seems an exercise on how
nature makes you look good among yourselves and the total absence of
any love of the creations of natural forms is now mirrored in the
decline of those human creations for anything other than packaged
economic purposes,celebrity and things like that.

The foundation of your new science is warmed over statistics that you
assign the term qm to,it begins in chaos and ends in chaos much as its
relativistic rival does,these things borne of man's wild imagination
rather than the disciplined investigations of our ancestors.If,after a
century,the result is the rise in fundamentalism surely there are
those who are responsible enough to know that something has gone badly
wrong even without knowing where or how for ultimately it all descends
into overheated mediocrity and it is showing everywhere.

The creationists now use the phi proportion to batter the opposition
with in terms of evolutionary design,this polarisation is the signal
to turn to denominational Christianity to reign in the excesses of a
scientific community that has become a cancer in natural
investigations regardless of the validity of concepts which were
inherited from noble traditions of the past.With reluctance,it is now
to another group of people I now turn for mediocrity and silence in
the face of a battle between truly awful bad positions is never an
answer.

 
> DYNAMICS OF COMPLEX SYSTEMS
> http://www.necsi.org/publications/dcs/
>
>
> Once you've read through this stuff and understand
> it, you'll be able to call classical science a crock, and
> be able to prove it. You have no idea just how 'Dark Age'
> much of the scientific world is even today.
>
> If you wish to truly see and denounce the stunning
> level of ignorance in classical science
> this new science is for you.
>
> It also shows you a number of neat tricks, like
> how to play the stock market for instance. Makes
> such things child's play once one understands the
> nuts and bolts of system dynamics.
>
> Take a good look at the stock chart of the company
> I sold today, wsii. When are the variables 'complex'?
> When is the system at the edge of chaos? What pattern
> defines a static pre-image vs a chaotic pre-image?
>
> What system dynamics causes the universal behavior
> of self-organization? A universal behavior where the hidden
> inward mechanisms become irrelevant. Once you understand
> these concepts you'll see them everywhere
> ...everywhere.
>
> And you'll know their truth.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> s
>
>
>
>
>
> > An insult to science is really what it is.
> > Accompanied by the fact that it has NO physical evidence --.
> > Zilch! -- to prove man has any evolutionary link whatsoever
> > to some (any) preshistoric animal.
> > >
> > Don't you ever wonder, Gregg, how the decent, honest
> > conscientious scientists in other fields must feel about
> > this mockery of scientific integrity that has long been perpetratred
> > by this cast of vested-interest boo-birds.
> > >
> > Every time they face true facts and are confronted with physical
> > evidence, they boo -- then tell one of their 1,000,000 bagfuls of lies
> > >
> > =========================================
> > <
> > > ===========================================
> > >
> > > MAN AS OLD AS COAL
> > > Petrified Bones, Teeth and Soft Organs
> > > (Some Human) Found Between Coal Veins
> > ><
> > > ===========================================
> > >>
> > >> OLDEST HUMAN SKULL EVER FOUND <
> > >> http://www.edconrad.com/images/z11calv.jpg
> > >> http://www.edconrad.com/images/krogwskull.jpg
> > >>
> > >Wilton Krogman, one of the world's foremost experts
> > >on human anatomy, holds what he had identified as
> > >a petrified human calvarium, a skull with the eye
> > >sockets broken off, that was discovered between
> > >Pennsylvania's anthracite veins. He is shown at his
> > >desk at the Cooper Clinic in Lancaster, Pa., where
> > >moments later he beckoned a colleague -- a medical
> > >doctor -- to examine "the oldest human skull ever
> > >found."
> > ><
> > >A CATscan was performed on this specimen with
> > >favorable results.
> > ><
> > >> http://www.edconrad.com/images/catcalv.jpg
> > ><
> > >Meanwhile, Haversian canals were identified in the
> > >cell structue, the tell-tale sign of bone. And dried
> > >blood was found on the specimen during testing at
> > >American Medical Laboratories in Chantilly, Va.
> > ><
> > >This is the official report from AML which had
> > >erformed Calculus Analysis by Crystallography.
> > >The final report, dated April 21, 2000, was issued
> > >by Dr. Nathan Sherman, director of laboratories.
> > >
> > >> "The specimen consists of 1 irregularly
> > >> shaped, brown calculus weighing less
> > >> than 0.0010 grams and measuring 1X1X0.5
> > >> mm. No nidus is observed. The calculi
> > >> indicates a composition of dried blood
> > >> intermingled with a few small crystals
> > >> resembling calcium oxalate dihydrate."
> > >>
> > >> http://www.edconrad.com/images/z12calv.jpg
> > >>
> > >> http://www.edconrad.com/images/z13cav.jpg
> > >> =============================================
> > >>
> > >> OTHER PETRIFIED BONES, TEETH AND
> > >> SOFT ORGANS FOUND BETWEEN COAL VEINS <
> > >>Here'sa petrified human femur still embedded in slate.
> > >>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/z8femur.jpg
> > >><
> > >>Here's a petrified human finger, with fingernail:
> > >>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-008S.JPG
> > >>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/FINGER/MVC-011S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here's a petrified human toe (with toe nail), found only
> > >>10-15 feet from the petrified finger.
> > >>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-017S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here are the petrified human finger and the petrified
> > >>human toe shown together.
> > >>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Au29/MVC-016S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here's the specimen that Krogman identified as a tibia
> > >>It contains Haversian canals, proof of bone, and dried
> > >>blood was found on it during testing at American Medical
> > >>Laboratories. This is the specimen that was fraudulently
> > >>tested by Andrew MacRae who produced microscopic photos
> > >>of the cell structure of a rock on the false pretext
> > >>that he was showing the cell structure of this specimen.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/newtibia.jpg
> > >><
> > >>This is the boulder containing the complete human skull.
> > >>Testing has confirmed the presence of Haversian canals
> > >> and American Medical Laboratories discovered it contains
> > >>dried blood.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/skullb.jpg
> > >><
> > >>Here's a petrified human mandible (frontal).
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix5/MVC-002S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here's a portion of a human mandible (side).
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Bones/MVC-006S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here's a giant petrified tooth.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/1tooth.jpg
> > >><
> > >>Here's a petrified dinosaur foot still embedded in slate.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Newpix3/z3dino.jpg
> > >><
> > >>Here's a petrified fetus of some large animal.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Petrified/MVC-013F.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here's another petrified fetus, still embedded in slate.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Day/MVC-005S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here are several views of portion of a giant prehistoric
> > >>scorpion identified as such by Krogman.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-001S.JPG
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-010S.JPG
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Scorpion/MVC-020S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here's a photo of the same portion of a petrified giant
> > >>scorpion -- found 22 years ago -- alongside one found
> > >>weeks ago.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/SCORPIONS/MVC-039S.JPG
> > >><
> > >>Here are two views of a piece of wood that appears to have
> > >>been handcarved for use as a tool or a weapon.
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-003S.JPG
> > >>>> http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Tool/MVC-005S.JPG
> > > =====================================================
> > >
> > LATEST DISCOVERIES: NEW Petrified Human Finger, Thumb
> > <
> > > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/O11/MVC-038S.JPG
> > > http://mysite.verizon.net/edconrad/O11/MVC-037S.JPG
> > >
> >
> >
> >

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