Re: Is SCIENCE magazine 2 or more years behind; Re: Orrorin

From: Mario Petrinovich (mario.petrinovic1_at_zg.htnet.hr)
Date: 10/05/04 

Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:58:11 +0100

Rich Travsky:
>J Moore:
>> This is not a scenario or hypothesis or anything, it's just the fact that
>> chimpanzees, as well as bonobos and in fact quite a few monekys and apes,
>> can and do throw rather powerfully and pretty accurately. You've been
>> given over the past couple weeks evidence of this, but instead of simply
>> accepting reality, you've chosen to deny this fact, or ignore it, or call
>> it
>> a fairy tale, but it's just a fact. You can have a theory about how this
>> fact doesn't exist (which is what you seem to be trying to build above)
>> but
>> that really isn't a sensible way to approach facts.
>
> This is like asking if horses can run vs how fast. They are two different
> questions. Yes, chimps can throw. How accurate is a different question.

        This is like you say "penguins were living in savanna". And I say,
"well they cannot run away from predators in savanna, and save themselves".
And you say, "well, they can run, for sure. I have evidence.".

> Nice pic of a chimp and throwing:
>
> http://www.michaelkrolczyk.com/travel/2001Africa/07Sweetwaters_23.html
>
> Caption:
>
> Duck! This Chimpanzee was throwing sticks and logs at us while we were on
> the
> observation deck at the Jane Goodall Chimpanzee Sanctuary - Near Nanyuki,
> Kenya

        So, how come Jane let them to that observation deck? Weren't they in
grave danger? If they weren't in grave danger, and Jane even wasn't too much
worried that they can be badly hurt, why in the whole world, you are showing
this? If chimp meet hungry lion, chimp is in grave danger.
        Is anybody here aware of what we are talking about, or am I talking
to 6 year old kids? -- Mario

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