Deitiker never got the point (Re: Cameron & Groves latest book positive about AAH

From: Marc Verhaegen (fa204466_at_skynet.be)
Date: 10/20/04 

Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:48:45 +0200

"Philip Deitiker" <Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> wrote some irrelevancies in
message news:zRxdd.727384$Gx4.90097@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> Marc argued for many years claiming the fallacy of Savannah hypothesis,
the fallacy of the SAT may be true for the pliocene/pliestocene transition,
but it does not logically mean that AAT should garner more support, the only
thing it really tells one is that idealized theories are frequently false.
He never got this point.

Don't be ridiculous, Deitiker. You never got the point. Our scenario is
based on comparative data. Just tell me: why are you convinced our scenario
is wrong? You can't.

Hominids & pongids split ~15 Ma. Miocene great ape fossils are found in
coastal & swamp forests, eg, Heliopith, Griphopith, Oreopith, Lufengpith,
Dryopith. A climbing+wading lifestyle in such flooded forests explains how
they (starting from a more monkey-like body build: narrow thorax,
above-branch locomotion.) lost the tail (unexpected in arboreal creatures),
became much larger (idem) & developed arm-hanging (below-branch locomotion,
ie, climbing arms overhead) - features of apes, absent in Old World monkeys
except partly in Nasalis (mangrove-dwelling, largest colobine & the only one
with a short tail, wades regularly on 2 legs between mangrove trees, a good
swimmer, sometimes climbs arms overhead). Most early apes were
thick-enameled, IOW, they were durophagous frugi-omnivores (hard-shelled
fruits, nuts, mangrove oysters etc.). Pongids spread East along the Indian
Ocean coasts. Hominids spread W & S along the Medit.& Red Seas. The
African hominids that later went inland along rivers & lakes became the
australopithecines & the African apes (chimps & gorillas). M.Verhaegen,
P-F.Puech & S.Munro 2002 "Aquarboreal ancestors?" Trends in Ecology &
Evolution 17:212-7.
http://reviews.bmn.com/journals/atoz/latest?pii=S0169534702024904&node=TOC%40%40TREE%40017%4005%40017_05
After the H/P split ~6-5 Ma, Homo became coastal: beach-combing, wading,
swimming, collecting coconuts, shellfish, turtles & turtle eggs, bird eggs,
crabs, seaweeds etc. Hence our very large brain (but reduced olfactory
bulb), greater breathing control & greater diving skills, small mouth &
masticatory reduction (myosine MYH16), well-developed vocality, extreme
handiness & tool use, reduction of climbing, reduction of fur, more SC fat,
very long legs, more linear body build (head-body-legs on 1 line), olfactory
reduction, late puberty, high needs of iodine, sodium & poly-unsaturated
fatty acids etc. This seaside phase probably happened mostly during the Ice
Ages: early Pleistocene Homo fossils or tools c 1.8-1.6 Ma have been found
in Israel, Algeria, Iran, Kenya, Georgia, Java, always near shellfish & seas
& large bodies of water. When sea levels dropped, early Homo followed the
Mediterranean & Indian Ocean coasts. Pleist.coasts during glacial periods
were some 120 m below the present sea level, so many fossil & archeol.finds
only show the inland Homo populations that entered the continents along the
rivers & wetlands. In spite of this, Homo remains (but not apiths) have
frequently been found amid shells, corals, barnacles etc., throughout the
Pleistocene, in coasts all over the Old World (eg, Mojokerto, Terra Amata,
Table Bay, Eritrea), even on islands that could only be reached by sea
(Flores 0.8 Ma). So far, no good arguments against these ideas have been
forwarded.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: When did the aquatic ape (AA) phase begin in our history?
    ... oysters etc. Pongids spread East along the Indian Ocean coasts. ... handiness & tool use, reduction of climbing skills, reduction of fur, more ... Pleistocene Homo fossils or tools have been found in Israel, Algeria, Iran, ... When sea levels dropped, H.ergaster followed the Mediterranean ...
    (sci.anthropology.paleo)
  • Re: Is the AAH a legitimate hypothesis? Of course it is.
    ... Homo are more aquatic than Pan." ... control, more streamlined body, olfactory reduction etc.etc.etc.). ... When sea levels dropped, H.ergaster followed the ... Mediterranean & Indian Ocean coasts. ...
    (sci.anthropology.paleo)
  • Re: empty blabla (Re: Bipedalism in different substrates
    ... hominin record in particular" And your response, Mr Verhaegen, is ... locomotion, ie, climbing arms overhead) - features of apes, absent in most ... handiness & tool use, reduction of climbing skills, reduction of fur, more ... When sea levels dropped, ...
    (sci.anthropology.paleo)
  • defining AAT (was Re: Bipedalism in different substrates
    ... "Algis Kuliukas" wrote in message ... olfactory bulb reduction), improved breathing control & diving skills, ... late Plio- or early Pleistocene when early Homo followed the Mediterranean & ... Table Bay, Eritrea), even on islands that could only be reached by sea ...
    (sci.anthropology.paleo)
  • the idiocy of Deitiker (Re: Shellfish Allergies Re: Grass or sand apes
    ... I prefer creationists to other fanatics like Deitiker. ... olfactory bulb reduction), improved breathing control & diving skills, ... late Plio- or early Pleistocene when early Homo followed the Mediterranean & ... Table Bay, Eritrea), even on islands that could only be reached by sea ...
    (sci.anthropology.paleo)