Re: Jim Moore: Flores man could not have survived predators

From: richard01 (richardparker01_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 11/04/04 

Date: 4 Nov 2004 01:03:10 -0800

"firstjois" <firstjoisyike@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<T56dnZ5gV4pgQxXcRVn-iw@comcast.com>...
> Philip Deitiker wrote:
> >> In sci.anthropology.paleo, richard01 created a
> >> message ID
> >> news:6e30eb22.0411020113.1a12262b@posting.google.com:
> >>
> >>> If you look at Jim Moore's notorious anti-aquatic ape theory site:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.aquaticape.org/predators.html
> >>>
> >>> you will find a quite persuasive, but half-baked theory that humans
> >>> could not live in the sea because of the problems of shark and
> >>> crocodile attack.
> >>>
> >>> In the Philippines, the Badjao sea gypsies live in or on the sea all
> >>> their lives. In fact, the real risk of shark or crocodile attack is
> >>> far less than equally life-threatening things like lightning or a
> >>> coconut falling on your head.
> >>>
> >>> If you believe Mr Moore's armchair reasoning, you will also realise
> >>> that the tiny Homo floresiesis could not possibly have survived in
> >>> an environment with sabre-toothed elephants, Komodo Dragons (and
> >>> even larger varanid lizards) let alone other predators on Flores.
> >>>
> >>> But they did.
> >>>
> >>> Richard
> >>> My weblog Seashore Foraging & Fishing is at
> >>> http://coconutstudio.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> From my experiance a prominent sign of a netloon is a person
> >> who trolls with personal names in thread titles.
> >> Secondarily you are lying about what Jim said and you should
> >> apologize, or be killfiled.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Philip
>
> Lots of people seem to be willing to wait for you to shape up, Richard, but
> you obviously seem to be swiftly moving to the end of your rope. What do
> you want from this group? An apology would be a good start.
>
> Jois

Philip - I take your admonitions with respect - I appreciate your
posts here (and elsewhere). I read them, try to understand them (and
sometimes even publicly applaud them) although I often don't know what
much of your specialist genetic jargon means.

I am not an experienced newsgroup contributor. I don't know the
jargon, and I don't know the manners (not that I've seen many). Why
should I? It's only very recently that I've been physically able to
access the internet at all, and discover a worldwide network of others
who have similar interests.

So, like a newcomer to the bar, I announce my position, and get back a
little more than I think I deserve. I've been accused by you as a
liar, and by Su Solomon as a drunken pornographer. That's a bit more
than attacking my published opinions. It's like resident territorial
monkeys throwing things at newcomers to put them in their place, and
perhaps a phenomenon worth studying on its own account.

If you have time, perhaps you could advise (under a different
headline, so others can understand) what the following mean:

1) LOL
2) Troll
3) Killfile

and if there are signs ;-) and >:-( to try and express body language
over the web, are there others which can say, for instance -
- Oh **** - not that old chestnut again !
- You are talking nonsense - think before you post
- Why don't you read my post properly before you attack it?
- How can I conduct a discussion through swathes of >>>>> and deep
strata of old messages?

Jim - As the resident anti-AAT expert you publish, and advertise, a
website against the whole idea, so I don't feel that you are just a
contributor here, but the major, and consistently sceptical opponent
of AAT, and a very public self-advertising target. If I am a 'troll'
by using your name in my headline, then so what? You'll answer and get
a chance to advertise your site again. 1 to me and 3 to you.

I'm not attacking you personally, but your very established and
constantly-advertised (and in my opinion, erroneous) opinions.

We did, indeed, discuss shark and croc attacks in direct emails. But,
I just didn't believe your reasoning - I live among people who are in
the sea every day - they don't give a tinker's cuss for shark and croc
attacks - and both of them are still very much about nowadays.

On any single day in my village, there are up to a dozen juicy white
surfers dangling their bodies in the Pacific, for hours on end. There
hasn't been a single shark (or croc) attack in living memory. (We are
only a very few miles from the site of the WWII 'Battle of Leyte Gulf'
which still provokes stories of wrecked sailors perishing in
'shark-infested waters')

If I remember I originally contacted you because your website quotes a
croc attack on my island (Siargao) which was quite untrue. I didn't
accuse you of lying, but merely of perhaps quoting an erroneous
report. Have you corrected it yet?

Believe me or not, the chance of being killed by a 2 kilo falling
coconut or a lightning strike out on a small island is a lot more
probable than any attack by croc or shark.

True, there are less crocs and sharks about nowadays, but there aren't
any Komodo Dragons or sabre-toothed elephants on Flores at all now. If
your predator theories are true, then a massive increase in (human)
prey would provoke more shark and croc attacks. It hasn't.

But we still don't go to sea in thunderstorms, or stand directly under
coconut trees.

Another tactic much used on this forum is to change the subject, so
here goes:

Maybe Komodo Dragons are actually island dwarfs. Around the same time
they lived on Flores, another mega goanna, twice (or more) as big,
lived in Australia.

So thanks, Jois, I am trying to 'shape up' but, quite honestly,
looking at the aggressiveness shown in so many posts, I don't really
know what I am supposed to 'shape up' to.

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