Richard 01 101
From: firstjois (firstjoisyike_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 11/04/04
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:24:25 -0500
>>> I am not an experienced newsgroup contributor. I don't know the
>>> jargon, and I don't know the manners (not that I've seen many). Why
>>> should I? It's only very recently that I've been physically able to
>>> access the internet at all, and discover a worldwide network of
>>> others who have similar interests.
The normal proceedue upon joining a ne group is to search Google (or
something like Google) for FAQ - example:
sci.anthropology.paleo faq
and you should get a document or reference to the group's FAQ or
"Frequently Asked Questions" But some groups don't have this document and
you could look for the charter if you can't find a faq.
There groups were supossed to be an open forum for discussions between
professionals but they quickly became more open than anyone expected and
because posters could be pretty anonomous, behavior quickly went to the
movies. Just the same, people talk to people in these forums and there is
no reason not to be polite.
>>> So, like a newcomer to the bar, I announce my position, and get
>>> back a little more than I think I deserve.
But this isn't a bar. This is more or less a place for the exchange of
information and the best way to look at how a groups works is to observe
the group, this is known as lurking, it's reading without posting. You
probably bet beat up a lot if you are used to walking into bars and
announcing your position. I think you'd lose a lot of teeth that way and I
don't get out to a lot of bars, I just suspect.
Why would the people in the bar be at all interested in having you announce
your position? Are you talking about sports bars? A New York Yankee
stronghold where if you talked the talk you'd be welcomed and hugged?
Still doesn't sound right. Most of the posters here who have a position
are slightly wacko. A testosterone fixation, a disease that he'd like to
connect to Neanderthals ("Neanderthals are Me" kind of thing), terrible
bad athletes' feet, a mystical investment in eustrus, heck, there are lots
of them but they are pretty easy to identify and ignore. The group's been
here a while and is kind of tired of this kind of baloney.
Others who jump right in are often "trolls" people who want only to make a
maximum amount of mess and leave, start fights, leave a trail of their
parents' swear words or the ones they just learned at school. Just seeing
if they can hook someone into a response, blow it up into a fight, and on a
happy day - start a fight between two or more groups. Generally groups try
to ignore trolls.
So, you should (anyone should) pop in here with a question, something they
have looked at, maybe read a bit, did a Google search and still want to
learn more. I often post articles I want someone to discuss. Rich (and
others) post articles that others might not have seen or that would be
within the "paleo" topic, or something that was recently discussed. PB
tosses in a few articles and table of contents for a journal or two. There
are others but I'm trying to hurry.
Or you should (anyone should) pop in here because you want to read and
participate in discussions. Not sell your religion or air your pompous
opinions. We have people here with knowledge that are helpful, act as
resources, point out good directions, books, articles and are even willing
to explain stuff you your little heart's content.
>>> I've been accused by you as a liar
Was the accusation right?
>>> and by Su Solomon as a drunken pornographer
That's not so bad
>>> That's a bit more than attacking my published opinions.
What have you got published? And in a groups that starts with "sci" your
opinion might not be worth as much as it is at home.
>>> It's like resident
>>> territorial monkeys throwing things at newcomers to put them in
>>> their place, and perhaps a phenomenon worth studying on its own
>>> account.
I think this comes from the bar room approach. I think it was also quite
fashionable to buzz all newcomers in some groups years ago but think it is
generally frowned upon now. If you hop in acting wierd you might you still
might get buzzed.
>>> If you have time, perhaps you could advise (under a different
>>> headline, so others can understand) what the following mean:
>>>
>>> 1) LOL
>>> 2) Troll
>>> 3) Killfile
>>>
>>> and if there are signs ;-) and >:-( to try and express body language
>>> over the web, are there others which can say, for instance -
>>> - Oh **** - not that old chestnut again !
>>> - You are talking nonsense - think before you post
>>> - Why don't you read my post properly before you attack it?
Here's a short list:
http://www.pb.org/emoticon.html
I don't see too many of the emoticons used here and not all of the acronyms
either but some get used. This is pretty much a high verbal group and most
can write their way through what they want to say and aren't pressured to
use the acronyms. But when we communicate without seeing each other we
mess up, take something seriously when it was a joke, for example, and :)
after a joke might not be a bad idea.
>>> - How can I conduct a discussion through swathes of >>>>> and deep
>>> strata of old messages?
That drives me crazy, too. Sometimes I name the wrong person but most
survive here. You should be able to count the number of >>> on the
conversation and match it up with the number of >>> next to the persons
name. There is a service on the internet that is supposed to fix up the
speakers with separate colors and translate the smilies :) in to "real"
smilies with yellow or blue - whatever colored faces. Might help you.
Helps me a little. OE Express with Quote Fix. Should be able to Google
it.
>>> (Addressed to Jim) I'm not attacking you personally, but your very
established and constantly-advertised (and in my opinion, erroneous)
opinions.
I think I can easily name those few people here who might share your IMHO
erroneous opinion.
[snip]
>>> If I remember I originally contacted you because your website
>>> quotes a croc attack on my island (Siargao) which was quite untrue.
>>> I didn't accuse you of lying, but merely of perhaps quoting an
>>> erroneous report. Have you corrected it yet?
Do you expect people to correct their websites on your say-so? (I'm not
too worried about Jim for he can take care of himself very well.)
>> (Jim) I'll be leaving for several months in a few weeks, so I may not
get
>> to email or messages here, but you could email me and I will get it
>> when I return in the early spring.
Good for you! (And bad for us!) Sniff
Go back, Richard, into the archives for SAP:
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=sci.anthropology.paleo
and see what the talk was like in 1994, for example. You can easily see
why all these years later many of the posters here treat AAT like a joke.
Hard, no impossible not to.
Finally read those posts where you have been given good definitions of what
science is and is not.
Jois
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