Re: Stonethrowing most compelling behaviour to create language

From: Archimedes Plutonium (a_plutonium_at_iw.net)
Date: 01/16/05 

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 15:40:07 -0600

Val Lentz wrote:

>
>
> You still do not get it. Language was born to facilitate co-operation.
> Period. Throwing of stones or rocks does not take or make language at all.

I knew from your first or second post that this discussion with you will end up
in this manner. I can detect low level logic and low level science, and
especially arrogance, but most of all I can detect those writers who give a
dribble about science but who want to engage me just to fling crap in a latter
post. In other words there are many who are so dumb that they think they can
engage me in a conversation for which their only aim is to ad hominem a few
posts down the road.

Val, you are too arrogant to ever realize that the concept of Language is so
ill-formed, is so primitive, is so ill defined. And yet you, Val, talks about
language as if it were as clear as Faradays law in the Maxwell Equations.

Do you not think, Val, that you should step back for a minute and say to
yourself that you are just so full of yourself in arrogance.

The concept of language is ill-formed in science. And for someone like you Val
to make pronouncements about language as if it were a crystal clear concept is
a lesson in stupidity.

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>
> > To put it another way. No species on Earth would have a language if no
> species
> > ever threw rocks or stones. Whales do not have language, nor do porpoises
> or
> > any other species.
>
> Your statements do not make something a fact, especially when there is so
> much evidence against it.

Again, here, your hatred of me is boiling out. Although to your credit, you
managed to make about 4 or 5 posts before you got to your prime desire of hate
spewing.

So many people, including Val. They hate my theories and hate my ideas, so what
they do is repeat over and over again "you do not have evidence". When I state
evidence, then they repeat over and over again some irrelevant counter
evidence.

Science is not argument. But Val likes to treat Stonethrowing the same as Mr.
Bush likes to treat Global Warming. When I point to evidence then Val or Mr.
Bush claim or spin that I have no evidence or they then have the audacity to
claim "the bulk of evidence is against me". So this form of "spinning and
argumentativeness" is really what Val is after. Not after sticking to the bare
bones science.

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> Apes have been around for 30 my. Monkeys for longer than that. It might
> surprise you, but monkeys could have been throwing stones for as long as
> apes have been on the planet...
>
> [snipped pouting about not having evidence]

In several of your other posts you claimed all monkeys and all apes threw. If
you participate in a discussion of Throwing where I said that baboons never
throw. Then it is your responsibility to either correct yourself or correct me.

But you, Val, seem incapable of that, and probably because you are just a
hatespammer waiting to unload your hatred of me into this thread.

>
>
> > So, no scientist has ever taken the Stonethrowing theory seriously except
> > Archimedes Plutonium.
>
> And I can guarantee you are not a scientist.

When hatespammers spew, it is mostly a mirror image of themselves.
Subconsciously Val realizes he/she is not a scientist, but it gives her
satisfaction in ad hominem of others.

>
>
> If I remember correctly: neither. It was sidearm.
>
> Val

I want to believe that Val is not in science but is on the fringes with a
curiousity for science. I say this because Val lacks the necessary logic to be
a working scientist. A scientist, even the greatest scientists can lack data,
lack information, lack understanding, but they cannot lack logic to fit things
together. A scientist without logic is no scientist.

In several of Val's posts he/she stated all monkeys and all apes throw. I asked
Val then about baboons. I asked about orangutans and gorillas. A scientist
would have straightened out those questions.

I said only humans throw overarm or rocks and stones. Chimpanzees throw rocks
and stones only underarm and never overarm. Val continues with his/her
statement that all monkeys throw and all apes throw.

I asked for a complete science research as to filming all apes and all monkeys
as per their ability to throw. Throw overarm throw underarm throw sidearm.
Throw rocks and throw other material such as feces. To capture it on film.

So that we are not reliant on some bloke like Val for their poor memory of
whether a spider monkey can throw underarm, sidearm and or overarm.

And can we get a real scientist, not Val, to tell us if any baboon has ever
thrown a rock underarm, sidearm or overarm.

Can we get real scientists, not Val, to tell us why the bone anatomy of a chimp
allows it to throw underarm but never overarm. Why the bone anatomy of a baboon
never allows a baboon to throw any means of rocks.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

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