Re: REPOST: Re: Siberian Arctic site dated to 27,000 BP

From: Philip Deitiker (Nopdeitik_at_att.net.Spam)
Date: 03/18/05 

Date: 18 Mar 2005 22:15:43 GMT

In sci.anthropology.paleo, Dar Habel created a
message ID news:1111173086.725493.112830
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

>
> rmacfarl wrote:
>> Daryl Krupa wrote:
>> ...
>> > This discussion is now definitely off-topic.
>> > Your opening sentence,
>> > "D. This is most important.",
>> > was misleading.
>> > I have useful things to do now.
>> >
>> > The End.
>>
>> Nooo! Don't stop now! This is the most genuinely
interesting
> discussion
>> (too one-sided to qualify as a debate :-) we've had around
here in
>> donkeys' ages. Thanks Daryl - keep posting those web refs,
please...
>>
>> Ross Macfarlane
>
> I'd have to agree that the discussion is one-sided (in favor
of Daryl's
> very strong evidence). There are absolutely no
ecological/geographical
> obstacles to prevent human diffusion from Yana RHS in the
Siberian
> arctic (dated 27,000 rcyr BP) via an ice-free corridor (full
of tasy
> mammals), and via the littoral plain (now beneath the
surface of the
> Arctic Sea) skirting whatever glaciations existed in the
northeastern
> Siberian mountains (look at a map, please) all the way to
the Great
> Plains of the United States by the time of pre-LGM closure
sometime
> after 24 ka. It's very doubtful that the environment of the
ice-free
> corridor deteriorated to the point it was uninhabitable by
humans until
> well after 24,000 years ago. Many lines of recent research
clearly
> demonstate this.

All the evidence in the world except sites below the LIS that
show cutmarks on said mammal bones. No bonafide human remains.
No evidence that is convincing except in south america.

 When I use the same logic to report that humans were in
europe before 40 kya you say no data.
  
 Well, I have to say the same thing here, no data. The
earliest site proximal is from 12,500 year (11,400 if one
deals with the lower end of the CI range)

What you have is 14,600 years with no human remains, no fire
pits, no middens containing animal bones with cut marks on
them, just about nothing, except very controversial site in
eastern US people are arguing about, and still no signs that
it is connected to the corridor. Surely Dar, you are not going
to stand there with zilch data and claim to me that there was
no impedence to travel south, are you? Because if you are I
would like to get a quote for future reference ;^). 

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