Re: Radio: The Scars of Evolution (Aquatic Ape Theory)


"Marc Verhaegen" <fa204466@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> "Rick Wagler" <taxidea3@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>> Yes. So what _really_ is the AAH?
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>>> IOW, you're talking for years about something you don't know anything
>>> about?? Remarkable.
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>> Not nearly as remarkable as Elaine Morgan's admission that she never
>> bothered to define the thing.
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> Don't evade: http://www.onelist.com/community/AAT
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No evasion. Just ask Algis. Yours is one take only and
you have said you don't like the AAT moniker. Like I
said, it's not all about you.

>>> In short, AAT is the theory that the Plio-Pleistocene diaspora of genus
>>> Homo went along the coasts http://www.onelist.com/community/AAT .
>>> Simple, no?
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>> It's not all about you, Marc. And with regards to your particular take it
>> is a more spectacular failure than all the others in as much as your
>> blithely ignoring the archaeological record of erectus grade Homo means
>> it violates rule no 1 of hypothesis building ie an hypothesis **must**
>> [note the word must!!] account for all relevant evidence or it fails.
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> I'm waiting, my boy: what relevant evidence (fossil or otherwise) IYO
> contradicts AAT?? You simply have nothing: otherwise you had told us.
> What amazes me is that the savanna people believe the most fantastic &
> far-fetched so-called "explanations" for human or hominids traits (eg, bee
> brood eating, head banging or eating carnivore livers would "explain"
> thick bones; eating bone marrow "explains" bigger brains; running under
> the midday sun "explains" bipedality; sweating "explains" nakedness; a lot
> of SC fat "explains" larger brains, etc.) & dogmatically declare that
> littoral adaptations once can't be possible... Meanwhile they're unable
> to give 1 argument against AAT. They can't even tell why early Homo could
> not have followed the African & Indian Ocean coasts.
>
Lets make it real simple.

You argue for a coastal **phase** in human evolution. If
you do not know what this word means...look it up. This
phase of homo erectus divers and beach combers lasted
long enough to allow natural selection to develop a number
of anatomical and physiological features that aided this
lifestyle. This is your position. I will ignore your standard
bit of denying this and calling me a liar. Your statements are
quite clear even if you do not understand them yourself.
The reason why the Acheulian - which can be broadly
associated with erectus - demolishes your 'hypothesis'
is because its distribution - both full scale archaeological
sites and undatable surface finds indicates that there
was no time when erectus was confined to or especially
prevalent in coastal areas. It is no good to simply point
to some coastal sites because this is nothing but a
ridiculously selective use of the evidence and as any one
familiar with scientific methods can point out to you this
is completely out of bounds when formulating a real, live
hypothesis. End of story.

> Luckily, a lot of PAs have more open minds than these fanatics, eg, Tobias
> http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~mvaneech/outthere.htm & Stringer: "I have agreed
> that we lack plausible models for the origins of bipedalism and have
> agreed that wading in water can facilitate bipedal locomotion (as observed
> in other normally quadrupedal primates). I have never said that this must
> have been the forcing mechanism in hominids, but I do consider it
> plausible."
>
Erectus divers and your coastal phase post date the development
of obligate bipedalism by several million years.

> The rest of your post is insulting & totally irrelevant, eg, why on earth
> do you believe that Acheulian in any way contradicts our scenario??
>
See above. As for the rest of my post it was neither
insulting nor irrelevant. It was either an invitation or a
warning. Your choice.

Rick Wagler


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