Re: olfaction (Re: skinny runners
- From: "Lee Olsen" <paleocity@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 7 Sep 2005 15:46:35 -0700
Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> "Lee Olsen" <paleocity@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1126020966.005204.305980@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> > Travsky seems to believe that human have a better sense of smell than
> > chimps.
> > Just tell us, my boy, why you believe that olfactory reduction is required
> > for running over your savanna.
>
> We hunt like cheetahs using eyesight, not like jackals who use smell.
> Why do we need superior smell?
>
> They all have a better olfaction than hmans.
They mark their territory by pissing on trees, they need a good nose to
find the tree again, do you do that? :-)
> Humans have a worse ofaction than chimps.
> Got it?
Chimps spent 1 1/2 million years less time on the savanna than Homo,
got it?
>
>
> > Or just tell us why you believe that being able to smell directions
> > contradicts AAT??
>
> Is there anything that does't contradict your scenario?
That isn't the point. If there are other explanations, one just can't
cherrypick out the data they like, ignore the rest and claim their
scenario is better.
> I'm waiting for you first good argument.
I haven't seen any from you either.
> You have 0.
Think you will ever be able to actually cite a legitimate, accepted
lakeside site? N=>40 shallow-runnel sites: lakeshore N=0.
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> >
> > "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> > news:431BCAE2.E44F6EF2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:430EA29F.7D2CFE83@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > > > > Travsky, once again you fail to grasp what it's all about: if
> humans
> > ran
> > > > over the plains as you believe, then why would we be different from
> > savanna
> > > > chimps IYO?? Do you really believe that our olfaction diminished
> > because we
> > > > "ran to spread across the world.." :-D Think a bit, my boy.
> > > >
> > > > > Once again you fail to grasp anything. Humans can walk AND run.
> > > >
> > > > I know, my boy, I know.
> > >
> > > Good, my boy.
> > >
> > > > > Savanna chimps are still chimps - not humans.
> > > >
> > > > I know, my boy, I know.
> > >
> > > Good, my boy.
> > >
> > > > > And diminished olfactory ability has nothing to do with walking or
> > > > running.
> > > >
> > > > Did you say that perhaps??
> > >
> > > Why would you think there's a connection? ;)
> > >
> > > > :-D Think a bit, my boy. Esp. about why our olfaction is so mluch
> > worse
> > > > than the chimp's.
> > >
> > > Not seen the latest?
> > >
> > > http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/08/29_smell.shtml
> > >
> > > Study shows humans have ability to track odors, much like bloodhounds
> > > 29 August 2005
> > >
> > > BERKELEY - Though humans may never match the tracking ability of dogs,
> we
> > > apparently have the ability to sniff out and locate odors, according to
> a
> > > new study by scientists from the University of California, Berkeley.
> > >
> > > Student volunteers presented with odors to one nostril or the other
> could
> > > reliably discern where the odor was coming from, and functional
> magnetic
> > > resonance images of their brains showed that the brain is set up to pay
> > > attention to the difference between what the left and right nostrils
> > sense,
> > > much the way it can localize sounds by contrasting input from the ears.
> > >
> > > "It has been very controversial whether humans can do egocentric
> > > localization, that is, keep their head motionless and say where the
> > spatial
> > > source of an odor is," said study coauthor Noam Sobel, associate
> > professor
> > > of psychology at UC Berkeley and a member of the campus's Helen Wills
> > > Neuroscience Institute. "It seems that we have this ability and that,
> > with
> > > practice, you could become really good at it."
> > > ...
> > > Porter, Sobel and their colleagues reported the results in the August
> 18
> > > issue of the journal Neuron.
> > >
> > > In a review appearing in the same issue of the journal, Jay A.
> Gottfried
> > of
> > > the Department of Neurology at Northwestern University's Feinberg
> School
> > of
> > > Medicine noted that the UC Berkeley findings open numerous avenues for
> > > further research. "Finally, what are the implications for the Provençal
> > > truffle hunt?" he wrote, only partly tongue-in-cheek. "In the
> traditional
> > > world of the truffle forests, the dog (or pig) is king. The evidence
> > > presented here suggests that humans are every bit as well equipped to
> > carry
> > > out the search."
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > > > "Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:430169D9.AB7771FE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Lee Olsen" <paleocity@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:1123857405.885842.108700@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>> I can't outrun anything, Nick, and I don't see why I
> should
> > be
> > > > > > capable
> > > > > > > > of this.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>> http://tinyurl.com/7u5wo "In fact, he walked and ran with
> > better
> > > > > > > > mechanics than we do today. The mechanics of his femur, femur
> > head,
> > > > > > pelvis,
> > > > > > > > and lower back are superior to those of today. We have had to
> > > > sacrifice
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > of that efficiency of walking and running to give birth to
> > children
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > larger brains."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Don't believe this just-so interpretation: the Boy had
> longer
> > > > femoral
> > > > > > > > necks than we have, heavier bones etc.,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And along with the heavier bones, heavier muscles attached
> to
> > them
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > better support as the URL says. Look at Ben Johnson
> > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Johnson_(athlete)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Was this Ben Johnson no short-distance runner? ie, the
> opposite
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > slender Kenyan long-distance runners? Cursorial mammals don't
> > have
> > > > thick
> > > > > > > > bones, Lee!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Humans can do both.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why do you think he wanted to bulk-up by using drugs? The
> > Turkana
> > > > Boy
> > > > > > > > didn't have to do this, he was born that way. Born to run.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nonsense: if he was born to run, he had had very slender
> bones:
> > see
> > > > > > horse
> > > > > > > > skeleton! He hadn't had plantigrady (more than chimps!). He
> > hadn't
> > > > had
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > & rel.horizontal femoral necks. Etc. There's *nothing* in the
> > > > H.erectus
> > > > > > > > skeleton that suggests they ran a lot:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We're not horses. Our ancestors walked and ran to spread across
> > the
> > > > world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Born to Swim?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope. We live on *land*, not in water. We can run, walk, climb -
> > land
> > > > > > > activities. The vast majority of humans who live near water will
> > spend
> > > > on
> > > > > > > a little amount of time actually IN the water, if at all.
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