Re: Homo & molluscs


Marc Verhaegen wrote:
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> > > > > > > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So? Any reason why you think these animals could not have
> lived
> > > > next to
> > > > > > > > "The sediments, numerous molluscan shells (Gyraulus
> chihliensis
> > > and
> > > > > > > > Planorbis youngi), and leaves and fruits of aquatic plants
> (for
> > > > example
> > > > > > > > Trapa sp.) in MJG-III indicate a low-energy lakeshore or marsh
> > > > > > environment
> > > > > > > > rich in organic materials."?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No reason at all Marc. Any reason that these highly
> > > > > > > mobile creatures might have lived at considerable
> > > > > > > distance from, "The sediments, numerous molluscan
> > > > > > > shells (Gyraulus chihliensis and Planorbis youngi),
> > > > > > > and leaves and fruits of aquatic plants."?
> > > > > > > Any reason at all?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Shallow water" the Nature report says. Yes, modern
> > > > > > > > > Hadza set up their hunting blinds near shallow water,
> > > > > > > > > but NEVER where they live. Their base camps are
> > > > > > > > > found 1-2 km away (O'Connell et all. 2002:850).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fine. And? Your point? We all know how modern Hadza live, but
> > > we're
> > > > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > > here about our ancestors 1, 2, 3... Ma. Anything in the
> Hazda's
> > > > > > lifestyle
> > > > > > > > that contradicts our scenario?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Uh, Yes, as Lee stated above, modern Hadza set up
> > > > > > > their hunting blinds near shallow water, but NEVER
> > > > > > > where they live. Their base camps are found 1-2 km
> > > > > > > away (O'Connell et all. 2002:850).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So? Your point??
> > > > >
> > > > > No swimming allowed.
> > > >
> > > > And?? contradicts our scenario??
> > >
> > > Pretty obvious isn't it?
> > >
> > > H/G set up hunting blinds near water sources because they know that
> > > is the best place to hunt game. Do you think they are hunting human
> > > swimmers at these locations?
> > >
> > > :-D
> > >
> > > Why on earth would hunters lose their fur??
> >
> >
> > Inform a bit. If you want me to answer that, you are going to have to
> > tell me exactly when it was Homo lost the fur.
>
> Why on earth should I have to tell when exactly??

If you can't say when, then you certainly don't what the reason was.


>
> No, no. Try to follow a bit. Not difficult.
> Humans less fur than chimps.

Chimps have been on the savanna for millions of years less time than
Homo, who is a better adapted animal for hot arid climates.


> Why?

Can a chimp outrun a horse in a long-distance race with his heavy fur
coat? Of course not.


> Why other mammals less fur than others?


Care to try that again?



> Why you believe humans = exception??


Easy, because we can out run a horse in the desert. Proof is in the
pudding, no matter what your flawed-comparative data tells you.



>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > got smaller teeth??
> >
> >
> > Why is the trend still going on now? The entire Hss species still
> > diving for canned tuna?
> >
> >
> > get thick
> > > fat layers??
> >
> > Not so much fat that we can't run down a horse that gets his fatless
> > body and fur all lathered up running long distance over the heat of the
> > savanna. Did you say savanna animals (runners) don't have fat? That's
> > why we win.
> >
> >
> >
> > run on 2 instread of 4 legs??
> >
> >
> > Ask the horse, he lost the race.
> >
> >
> > reduced olfaction??
> >
> > No need for good smell, when you can see your prey 10 miles away.
> > etc.etc.
> >
> > You need neural tissue to process the data and you need sensors in the
> nose.
> > Part of this may have been selected out for real reasons. In other cases
> it
> > doesn't seem to have been vital. We do have good vision and human trackers
> > from primitive societies are appallingly good.
> >
> > As one modern day dude trained in the old time methods said, If there are
> > deer around I can locate them because they have to move to feed and drink
> > and they can't avoid leaving traces. If I wanted to I could kill all of
> them
> > in a given locality using a bow and arrow. No exceptions and not a serious
> > challenge. The guy doesn't even hunt because he said it wasn't fun because
> > it was too easy. His trainers challenge to be a master/man was to kill a
> > deer with a knife. He did pass when younger.
> >
> >
> > etc.etc.
> > > Do you really fail to see the connection??
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you have any evidence at all to support the aquatic theory?
> >
> >
> > > Again, in very simple words:
> > > - our ancestors = waterside
> >
> >
> > This idea suffers from total lack of evidence;
>
>


Since you can't demonstrate any of the below in tests, it really isn't
worth much to science.

> AAT s.s. (based on the behavior, anatomy, physiology & DNA of living humans
> compared to other animals) says that sea/lake-side ancestors collected
> coconuts, fruits, bird eggs, turtles, shell-, crayfish, algae etc. This
> explains unique Homo traits (not seen in apes or apiths) better than plains-
> or forest-dwelling scenarios do: brain size, diving skills, breathing
> control, vocality, small mouth & chewing muscles, tongue bone descent,
> longer airway, projecting nose, poor sense of smell, handiness, tool use,
> late puberty, long legs, aligned body, poor climbing, fatness, fur loss,
> high needs of water, sodium, iodine & poly-unsaturated fatty acids etc.

.

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