Re: Tobias: if ever our earliest ancestors were savannah dwellers, we must have been the most profligate urinators there (Re: butchering sites at the intersection of river channels (Re: AAT is based on comparative data (Re: Algis ranting about AAH

Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> "Lee Olsen" <paleocity@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:1126412656.950396.276410@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Marc Verhaegen wrote:
> > > "Lee Olsen" <paleocity@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:1126391271.942279.154020@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > > > > > Are the truths too difficult? Maybe we can lower the standards
> bar
> > > down to the aqua level and redefine *near* as 60 km?
> > >
> > > > > > > You do know the difference between now & then, do you???
> > >
> > > > > > It is obvious that you don't.
> > >
> > > > > > > Connection Black-Caspian Sea.
> > >
> > > > > > Is that statement supposed to have meaning in the real world?
> > >
> > > > > Not a statement, see Dennell 2003.
> > >
> > > > Here is Dennell page 428 again: "When occupied, it was probably only
> 60
> > > km from the Caspian, which may have joined the Black Sea (Gabunia L.,
> > > 2002b)..." "When occupied" means 60 km then, 1.8 Mya.
> > >
> > > 60 km from the Caspian doesn't mean 60 km from the connection between
> the 2
> > > Seas.
> >
> > No, it means the site was 60 km from the seas. Cite the exact distance
> > you think it was.
>
> 60 km from the Caspian.
>
>
> > > > > Why no meaning??
> > >
> > > > OK, what connects the Caspian or the Black Sea with the Dmanisi site?
> > >
> > > Dmanisi is in a geologically unstable regions. Folding of Caucasus.
> > > Mountains there seem to rise 1 mm per year, ie, could have risen 1800 m
> > > since.
> >
> > No, I meant what resources were the hominids at Dmanisi utilizing from
> > the Black Sea and what is you evidence?
>
> Lordkipanidze: "rich in lacustrine sources".


And he said those resourses were carried from the Black Sea to the
Dmanisi site? No? Anotherwords the Black Sea had nothing to do with
Dmanisi at all. You just imagined it did.

What else did Lordkipanidze say Marc? Are you hiding something? Not
very scientific of you.
Fauna list:
gazelles
elephants
rhinos
ostriches
saber-toothed cats
Plus animals typical of more northern latitudes.

For some reason I don't think of those savanna animals as coastal
followers.


>
> > > > > > Dennell's (2002) fig. 2 clearly shows that most of the early sites
> are
> > > away from lakes or seas, Dmanisi was 60 km from the Caspian then, and
> is
> > > now. This means clearly away from the sea.
> > >
> > > Not impossible.
> > > Again: the relevant points are:
> > > 1) Does this exclude seaside ancestors of ours?? Answer: no, it
> doesn't.
> >
> >
> > No, lack of evidence excludes our ancestors as seaside residents.
> >
> > > 2) What's more, you have no site with certainty away from large bodies
> of
> > > water.
> >
> >
> > What's more, you have no site with certainty near large bodies of
> > water.
> >
> >
> > > 3) Lordkipanidze: "The hominid site itself was likely located near a
> lake or
> > > pond, rich in lacustrine resources."
> >
> > "likely" & "pond" says it all. You have no evidence at all for your
> > claims.
>
> ??
> Please no nonsense: my claims:
>
> " ... Plio-Pleistocene diaspora of Homo populations along the Indian Ocean,
> African coasts, Rift valley lakes etc. & probably from there inland along
> rivers etc."

gazelles
elephants
rhinos
ostriches
saber-toothed cats




>
>
>
> Marc Verhaegen
>
> http://www.onelist.com/community/AAT
>
>
> > Remember what they wrote at the time
> > > of Peking: huge collections of hunted mammals in caves. Now we know: "A
> big
> > > river and possibly a lake were located to the east and contained various
> > > water species; along the shorelines grew reeds and plants, which were
> home
> > > for buffalo, deer, otters, beavers and other animals."
> >
> > Which Homo preyed upon.
>
> I'm not interested in your beliefs, Lee.

gazelles
elephants
rhinos
ostriches
saber-toothed cats

And of course the savanna went northeast all the way to China.
Remember this classic cite of yours?

"The lowest layer, about 1.66 Myr, provides the oldest record of
stone-tool processing of animal tissues in east Asia."
R Zhu et al 2004
New evidence on the earliest human presence at high northern latitudes
in northeast Asia Nature 431: 559-562

Why is it you just can't come up with one iota of evidence to support
your littoral lifestyle no matter how hard you try.

> _______
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The morphological evidence leaves no doubt that our ancestors & even our
> > > close relatives mostly must have lived near large bodies of water.
> >
> > Sure, near as 60 km. I'm glad we agree on that.
> >
> >
> > So far,
> > > you haven't proven otherwise,
> >
> >
> > Real scientist do not demand the negative proven.
> >
> >
> > Marc, Face the evidence: all furless mammals
> > > with a lot of SC fat spend a lot of time in water (don't confuse with
> vice
> > > versa, as dry apers usu.do!).
> >
> > Yeah? Hippos don't have sweat glands in their skin. That is why they
> > are diving in the water. We don't sweat in the water, so that
> > demonstrates were did not evolve in it, either full or part time.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you believe our ancestors were an
> > > exception for some reason, you have to give good arguments.
> >
> >
> > Of course we are an exception, how many other bipedal animals can out
> > run a horse?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Marc Verhaegen
> > > http://www.onelist.com/community/AAT
> >

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