Re: Chimps And Their Control Of Their Vocalizations

Mario Petrinovich wrote:
>
> Rich Travsky:
> > Mario Petrinovich:
> >> Now Rich, tell me why did they assume that chimps are stupid, in
> >> the
> >
> > No one is saying they're stupid. BUT, it IS stupid to assume this behavior
> > without confirming by observation. Do you understand in the slightest???
>
> I am reading for some time, now, how scientiests are surprised when
> they notice that animals are more intelligent than they thought. More
> intelligent than they thought. Previously they assumed that they are less
> intelligent. Their previous assumption was based on Byble. Byble was a
> comfirmation that previous assumption was correct. The Byble is wrong. They
> are surprised to learn this.
> I am living in a communist country. Do you know how they wash brains
> of people? For example, you have a beautiful table somewhere. They say to
> people "That table is beautiful.". But they say it with the face expression
> which tells that this table makes them vomit. So, to anybody who didn't see
> the way they presented this table, they say, "Hey, this table is beautiful,
> and we told our people that this table is beautiful. We told our people
> truth.". But to the surprise of everybody, their people think that this
> beautiful table makes you vomit. So, their people doesn't know the truth
> that this table is beautiful, but just the opposite. This table makes them
> vomit.
> And this is what you are trying to tell me. You are saying that
> nobody EVER thought that apes are stupid, and the least the ones who are
> now surprised when they learn how intelligent apes are. -- Mario

As usual, you miss the point. You can not assume behavior. You've fallen
into the anthropomorphic trap of assuming they're just like us. That
is completely unwarranted without either observation, experimentation, or both.

Until someone tried teaching sign language to a chimp, no one would have
thought a chimp capable of language like behavior.
.

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