Re: Terra firma hominids

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Mario Petrinovich:
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Mario & Will, please note that often shark attacks on modern humans
relate to body boards etc. on people in water for recreational
purposes, these people are not involved in daily food foraging at
depth in a systematic method, as I propose our semi-aquatic ancient
ancestors did. The same with the vast majority of tiger bites in
Bangladesh, the people attacked tend to be town folk, ignorant of the
ways of the wild. Our ancestors on the beaches and shallow mudflats and
coral lagoons knew very well the various predators etc. DD

In Bangladesh people attacked by tigers are locals, who went into
jungle to collect wood, or something.

They went from town to jungle. Completely different situation than AAT.

I agree that rockshelters were part of coastal migration, but only
part. Mostly they lived on beaches with sand pockets covered with palm
fronds, with sharpened sticks as weapons IMO. Ever heard of a tiger
trap? Dig a hole in the sand, insert some sharp "punji" sticks
vertically, insert sacrificial lamb or goat, then cover with palm
fronds. (Yes, I know that some folks here at SAP at experts on this,
I'm keeping it simple). Tigers, lions and kitty cats dislike being
disemboweled. They have very vulnerable tummies.

You are talking about the time of sharpened sticks, about time of
strong verbal communication. With sharpened sticks and communication people
could live everywhere. On the beaches, on the plains, everywhere. I am
talking about bipedal apes. This is interesting time for us. Later we could
live everywhere, it is not a problem. Marine otter, an animal that is very
comparable to our aquatic period, lives only on rocky coast, and AVOIDS
beaches. Beaches are dangerous places for an animal like this. Becuase on
beaches it is very hard to reach vaste deep water. Cats are leaping through
water excelently. They are faster in shallow water than anything. On beaches
it is a long way to safety of deep water.

They are very avare of tigers. I
wouldn't neglect the predator problem, and all aspects of that problem. I
am
claiming that a bipedal animal can deal with terrestrial predatos much
better in water.

I agree with you Mario. Direct facial splashing would be one method to
dissuade big cats, since they don't like swimming in tidal salt water,
also throwing pebbles at their snout and eyes, and jabbing in the tummy
with the bamboo spear. Also your idea about diving under it is good
too, since they don't have grip at depth.

I agree that a bambo spear can be accessible in that situation. But
splashing, no. Cats don't like to run and get tired, yet they do that in
order to catch a prey. No, cats aren't stupid, they wouldn't be distracted
by splashing no more than you would be. Pebbles also no. Big, heavy, sharp
stones, oh yes. This would hurt. Hurt much. So much that cat would try to
leave soon. Pebbles you have on beaches. You can pick the nearest one, as
cat is approaching fastly. Searching for pebbles and hitting them on cat
would be a waste of time. You better run fastly. That goes for water
splashing, too. But, if you are at the rocky coast, you jump into water. If
cat jumps after you, you exit water fastly. You have hands that can grip
stones. Cat has claws. If cat is trying to exit after you, you will hear THE
MOST unpleasent sound for us. The sound of nails scrubbing on a school
board. You will try to end that sound. By *finding* (not just grabing the
first awaible pebble in a hurry) a big, sharp stone which you will hit
directly into cat's head. You have enough time to find a suitable stone. You
have big choice of exactly what you need, big sharp stones. You are above
cat, so that your hit can be much stronger than if you hit pebbles on a
beach (or in a savanna). You can hit really big stone with both hands. And,
finely, cat is very elastic with very fats reflexes on land. We cannot
imagine how fast animals are. Humans are nowhere near them. I saw when some
guy tried to hit my dog with a stone. No way he could do that, if dog is
watching what he is doing. My dog avoided it with ease. But if cat is in
water, water dumps its movement. Cat is easy target for anybody. Even for a
kid.

It is known that a kangaroo who is attacked by dingos,
prefere to deal with them in a creek, rather than running away. In creek
kangaroo drowns dingos. We are even slower than kangaroo (so we have even
less chances to run away), and, as primates, have much more capable arms.
In my thinking about this, I don't rely on intelligence,
knowlage,
or anything else. There has to be preferable conditions in a specific
environment for us, and they are on a rocky shore. -- Mario

Why do Scottish people living on rocky shores have diverged toes
(little bit like chimp), but people living on beaches have converged
toes (like modern normal)? DD

Yes, this is a sort of mistery for me. I wouldn't say that it is
like chimp. Actually, if chimp has something like this, other chimps would
possibly say that it is a sort of like humans. We could say that it is half
way betweeen chimps and humans. I have a hard time imagining that what
chimps have is more suitable for vertical climbing. Anyway, my view is that
this vertical climbing in humans needs thorough research in just the context
I mentioned. -- Mario


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