Re: Aqua Arid Hominids
- From: Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:29:01 -0600
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Rich Travsky wrote:
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Lee Olsen wrote:
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Rich Travsky wrote:
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Thanks Lee, can you tell me where rhino cave was compared to the
nearest saltwater .4 ma, in altitude and walking distance? I couldn't
find specific data. The map is too general, and is of current locale,
not .4ma AFAICT. I think the area there .4ma was dry like today, (got
humid between 10-5ka).
When I bowhunted whitetail near a waterhole, I left the guts for the
coons, and brought the carcass home for processing. When I collected
oysters off rocks in Japan, I ate them while in the water, and left the
Eating raw shellfish can be fatal.
Eating raw shellfish can be delicious & nutritious. Eating brevitoxins
and domoic acid can be fatal, of course inhaling them is not healthy
either. Sea otters avoid eating shellfish that have accumulated toxins,
I consider it likely that ancient Homo did the same. DD
http://tinyurl.com/jtgzf
http://www.maine.gov/dmr/rm/public_health/closures/pspclosures.htm
http://www.oceanservice.noaa.gov/redtide/
I consider it likely they had a red-tide hotline just like this one.
http://www.nps.gov/sajh/Come_by_boat.htm
Or better yet, the simplest reason (Occam's Razor Clam) there is no
evidence for early sea-side exploitation is that they didn't live
long enough to accumulate shell middens.
Lee
Lee seems very confused about the difference between Homo erectus
(seasonal migrators foraging) along coasts and modern Homo sapiens
(sedentary villagers producing pollution-erosion-concentration) along
coasts. The difference is night and day, of course, to a non-biased
person. But for those willing to cite Tarzan Hollywood stuff as
relevant to paleoanthropology-evolution of human ancestors, well I
guess anything goes.
As for shell middens, I don't know why coastal seasonal migrants would
be expected to accumulate large shell middens, since shell middens only
accumulate when people live in sedentary communities, especially with
technology such as boats, nets, oyster rakes, where CONCENTRATION of
foodstuffs is essential, as part of the proto-agric.-trade social
behaviours common in later Homo sapiens.
Since I think Homo erectus ate much of the shellfish while on mudflats,
beaches, wading in water and backfloating like sea otters, I can't
Floating on their backs eating shellfish? try it and get back to us.
Send me $1000 so I can get down to equatropical lagoon, I'll get it to
you promptly.
GO down to your local pool. It'll work the same.
.imagine them bothering to carry the empty shells above the tideline in
order to deposit them in places so that future archaeologists can spot
them. I don't think they were capable of imagining that far into the
future. Rather, a very slight accumulation of shells at a few
protected spots, that if extraordinarily fortunately preserved, with
perfect pH, very low erosion, no coral reef concretion, and timely
uplifting, apropriately-timed ashfall or sandstorm covering, might give
evidence of past foraging by Homo erectus, but of course this would be
much rarer than accumulations of Homo or hyena scavenged bones lasting
in cave dens inland in arid areas.
DD
shells there. I've also eaten bull kelp on the beach, bringing no
evidence home with me. Same with coconuts, eat'em & leave'm. Do you
think He did things differently?
Abalones can make nice sharp tool blades, but I've read that obsidian
is even better, so if a quarry is nearby, probably it would be worth it
to venture inland to get stone for tool making. Maybe abalone doesn't
grow near Morocco, so they use flint and quartz?
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