Re: A.robustus diet included sedges


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Chapstick wrote:
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Chapstick wrote:
I am interested in our current diet, as extant humans, because I don't
beleive the bone marrow .... uh... i guess call it "theory" ... that
some
say caused hss to expand our brains. very few cultures eat raw bone
marrow.

I live close enough to walk to a large site where tiny bone fragments
still cover the ground. It has probably been 200 years since the site
was last used by Native Americans. Not only is the evidence ubiquitous
in this area for marrow processing (going back thousands of years),
they smashed the bone up and boiled it to get every last bit of the
marrow out they possibly could. This is not a theory, it is a
demonstrated fact.


hello Lee,
<smile> well.. 200 years ago.. the Native Americans were being
absolutely
starved out.. so it is no wonder they ate everything but the bones.

One reason very few cultures eat raw bone marrow is because there are
very few H/G left.
Two hundred years ago there were no Euros around here to starve them
out, who do you think was starving them? Did you miss the part about
"(going back thousands of years)"? The record goes back to 11,200 yrs
ago here. The broken bones (the spirally fractured ones (not the
pulverized boiled stuff) and the choppers that were used to break them
are virtually indistingishable from 200, 2000, 200,000 (back to Africa
now), or 2,000,000 yrs ago. IOW, from 2.5 mya to ground zero nothing
has changed as far as eating marrow raw.

however, my point still is that they did not eat the marrow in the raw
form,
and there is apparently only one extant human that DOES eat raw marrow..
that guy up in the Artic.. <smile> .

Cite your source for that claim.

You are my source for that claim. In a sap post a few years back you gave us
a photo of the guy.

http://www.robertsemeniuk.com/IS1.htm

Nah, that was Su who posted that, she has a much better sense of humor
than I do!
The picture was cited _after_ she cited Lew Binford, who I'm sure has
published plenty on raw marrow consumption.


Here is mine: "However, frequently a
carcass is taken at these locations, Hadza frequently move
all or part of it to a shady spot close to the water for further
processing, an exercise that typically involves the consumption of meat
and marrow and the discard of stripped and marrow-cracked bones." This
is from O'Connell et al. (2002:849), Jour. Hum Evo 43.
and
http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Encephalization%20Final%20PDF.pdf

This is an excellent article and i have read every word of it as of this
point. It does NOT really, fully, support any claims about marrow leading
to hss encephalization. future studies must confirm that we scavenged meat,
brains, and marrow in order to support the conclusions. I would read it as

I'm not sure what you mean, nor do I really understand what raw bone
marrow has to do with this? There already is evidence for large animal
processing, why would they leave the brains behind? Or the liver? Or
anything for that matter? Hominids can get into a rhino skull a lot
faster than a hyena. Easy pickings with a big rock I would say.

supporting our evolution into an omnivore, non-specific, eat everything kind
of creature. another weakness may be in that only four fish species, no
birds, and no insects, were included in the study. It is great science,
IMHO, and I loved reading it. thanks!

I'm sure Marc didn't. I have several friends who will eat raw, bloody,
warm liver from a freshly killed buffalo, nor will they pass up live
grubs either. One of them used to have a bug cook book for sale on his
site and the other wants to be a survival instructor.


--chap

http://www.springerlink.com/content/n3613vk677403542/


The raw part is simply because it must be a food that was eaten
before
we conquered fire.. when our brain was expanding. And it would be ....
convienent... if it were a food that is still widely consumed by
humanity.

Go live with the Hadza, they will solve your problem. They will have
you eating all kinds of fun stuff raw.


*Sushi* is very expensive and is a delicacy and is served all over the
place
in special restaurants. I have yet to run into a raw marrow bar.
Hey! I am not an AATer.... or stonethrower or anything else except a
skeptic. However, I do think that the dietary thing is one of Marc's
better
arguments. The snorkel noses.. well...
regards,
chap


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