Re: Could our big brains come from Neanderthals?


"Day Brown" <daybrown@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Nov 26, 4:51 pm, "Jois" <firstj...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
1. Hips don't crack open.
I thot it was fairly common knowlege from forensics that the way they
determine
a female pelvis that has given birth is from the crack.

Nope, not at all. The female hip bones are distinctive and forensic
personages can tell the difference between males and females almost
instantly. "Cracked open" we wouldn't be able to walk at all.

And it would be more likely that a forensic person would look at the wear on
the origins and insertions of the muscles that would support the weight of
the unborn baby to determine whether or not a female skeleton had ever been
pregnant.

2. HNS females had greater pelvic diameters for their babies than AMH or
Hss
3. AMH babies are need to be pushed through the birth canal and turned
to be
born
4. HNS babies had pretty much a straight shot out the birth canal -
easier
births for both HNS females and babies.
i dont know of any HNS neonate skulls have been reconstructed. But we
all know the HNS skull is more oval, with a smaller cross section than
the HSS skull. We assume that the neonate skulls would be similarly
configured.

You may assume whatever about the skull shape of the babies but remember
that the skull bones are all separate and mold to fit the birth canal. BUT
the shape of the hip bones of Hss and Neanderthals are different.

5. A HNS female would have an easy time delivering a AMH baby
6. An AMH might have had a very difficult time delivering a HNS baby
I also thot it was fairly well known that there are an inordinate
number of HNS
female skeletons with fetal bones still present, as they would be with
a failed
birth.

If that were correct then there would have been lot of neonate skulls to
re-construct. I haven't read of any such thing re: Neanderthals - i.e.
"failed births" found as fossils.

This is also what you'd expect of a HSS/HNS hybridization, with
more women having narrow hips and more difficult births. Which would be
a good reason for the inordinate numbers of Caesarian sections for
Native European women.

There is no "inordinate numbers" of C-sections for "Native European women".
European women have the broadest hips of any group on the planet.


Take a look at photos of the skeletons or even illustrations and you'll
see
the difference.
I have, but the scale of pelvis was not shown, nor did I see
discussed.

You should see it by looking at the illustrations and photos of skeletons.
The differences are real and pretty obvious.

That the HNS female pelvis would not crack should be self
evident from the well know robusticity of HNS skeletons.

None of them "crack". The pelvic girdle is just a bunch of bones held
together in life by cartilage, tendons, muscles and the like. The center of
the pelvic girdle in the front is held together by cartilage that SOFTENS as
pregnancy gets closer to term (change in the level of certain hormones as
delivery draws near) giving the near-term-female the familiar so-called
"duck walk" and allowing for some stretching of the pelvic girdle - not
cracking it - just allowing for some amount of stretching during delivery.

I've read that
the HNS females had a more simian shape, lacking the familiar 'figure'
with a narrow waist and wider hips of the HSS. Since HNS descended more
directly from Homo Hibilgensis, this is what you'd expect.

think if you spoke with a midwife, and showed here an HNS pelvis,
she'd
go into what very difficult deliveries such a woman would have had, if
she even survived. which- given the number of female skeletons found
with fetal bones still inside was a common problem.
No, she'd more like burst out laughing and say she wished all of us were
built this way.
I live in the Arkansas Ozarks, which *never* stopped using midwives. In
this low population density area, I know a few midwives, but there are
no gynocologists. The midwife I talked to raised the issue.

Midwives are alive and well in the Atlantic states as well, but I can
confidently assure you that either she didn't have a clue what she was
talking about or chose the wrong word or image to describe a normal hormonal
change that quickly reverses itself.


While everyone knows about the number of Native European Nobel
laureates, few have visited state asylums to see that non-white
severely retarded are extremely rare. One of the effects of the
HNS/HSS
hybridization is unpredicatable results with the bell curve extending
out in *both* directions further than other races.
You need data for this.
What? the number of nobel laureates? Visit an insane asylum. I have. I
usta
work in clinical settings. Blacks may be 20% of the population, but are
no where near 20% of the asylum populations.

Imagining stuff doesn't make it so. Repeating incorrect information
doesn't
make it so either.



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