Re: Eritrean stone tools prove use of marine resources, 2 million years too late

On Jul 14, 1:09 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Op 14-07-2007 03:20, in artikel
1184376012.399577.254...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lee Olsen
<paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> schreef:



Marc Verhaegen wrote:
"beach gravel"...

Enough said, kudu runner?

"The faunal remains all come from large terrestrial
mammals and there is no indication, at this or any other site in
Morocco, that marine fauna was made use of."
Enough said, mountain-beaver man?

My little boy, I'l try again in simple words for simple minds.
Short sentences.
Not difficult.

Message-ID: <1124565262.379006.215260@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Jason Eshleman: "You are asking for someone to contradict something
that you've not made a case for. You are asking someone to prove a
negative. This isn't science, though I suspect you don't know what
science is and as such will continue your mentally ill diatribes."

Marc's mentally ill diatribe: "AAT is based on the behavior-anatomy-
physiology-DNA of living humans vs.
chimps & other animals. Sea/lake-side ancestors collecting coconuts,
fruits, bird eggs, turtles, shell-, crayfish, algae etc."

Marc, being a non-scientist amateur, can only imagine broad
generalizations, which as Eshleman pointed out, there is no case for
eggs between the P/H split and Gona.
He does not understand that archaeology can identify what kind of
"bird eggs" are involved with early Homo. At Gona, 2.6 mya, the
closest association to the core tools is with "ostrich" eggs. Of
course we all know that ostriches are found where humans sweat a lot,
like on a savanna for instance. The ostrich is clearly not a swamp
bird.

Marc also imagines early Homo eating coconuts in the time-line between
the P/H split 5+- Ma and Gona. No evidence for this has been cited by
Marc, yet the odds of coconut evidence to be found is just as likely
as the odds of cut-mark evidence on bone surviving in the
archaeological record if there were any to be found. Where is this non-
existent evidence hiding?
At this point the wet apers usually invoke the Indian Ocean Atlantis
hypothesis (IOW, lost at sea) based solely on a "negative" as Eshleman
pointed out above to cover for their lack of evidence and overworked
imagination.
The Indian Ocean Atlantis hypothesis of course can be easily refuted
because there is something called continuity in archaeology that Marc
has failed to grasp.
If the imaginary lost early Homo were living somewhere else than on
the savanna between P/H split 5+- Ma and Gona, then a trail
(continuity) from that location (eailier) to Gona (later) should be as
easy to identify as the continuity evidence between one savanna basin
to the next by trace sources of exotic rocks. IOW, there should be a
trail from the Indian Ocean (for example) to Gona. Well there isn't
any such evidence. It would not matter if the coast evidence was
buried or not, the continuity would still have to exist between the
two locations with the earliest dated exotic rocks, coconuts, shell
fish etc. found closer to the coast and scattered out from that point.
The record is absolutely silent on such evidence. It no more exists
than Atlantis.
The most parsemounious explanation then is the early Homo evolved in
place where the first evidence typical of Homo is found.


1) physiology:
Our physiology proves our ancestors were strongly dependent on water.
IOW, probably most of our fossil Homo relatives also were waterside.

"probably"??? Vague generalizations are not science you brainless
twit. No wonder you have never published a real research paper. Always
vague to the point of being meaningless and explaining nothing.



2) fossils:
Nothing in the fossil/archeol.record contradicts this.

Nothing in the fossil/archeol.record contradicts they didn't evolve in
Atlantis either. Okidoki?



Okidoki?
Question: Does this mean that there could never have been ostriches near to
Homo fossils?
Answere: No.

Question: Does this mean there never could have been Homo near a lake?
Answer: No.

C4 isotopic signature of teeth prove Homo = savanna.
Cut-marks on antelope bones prove association with savanna.
Coconuts, sedges, algae leave C3 signature in teeth of pan/G. Stupid
Marc thinks he is a G.


In fact, all fossil/arcehol.finds suggest a strong connection to water:

So, does the fact that a deer drinks water make him littorial?
Answer: No.

- Mojokerto H.erectus: ?The basal part of the Putjangan Beds is composed of
volcanic breccias containing marine and freshwater molluscs. The rest of the
Putjangan Beds is composed of black clays of lacustrine origin¹ (Ninkovich &
Burckle 1978).

"1978"??? How silly and out-of-date.

Huffman, O. F, and Y. Zaim. (2003). Mojokerto Delta, East Jawa:
Paleoenvironment of Homo modjokertensis-First Results.
Submitted to Journal of Mineral Technology, v.10, n. 2.


"Test excavations at the hominid site during 2001 and 2002 field
seasons produced 250 fossil
vertebrates. The nature of the recovery suggests that additional
hominid remains may be found in the bed.
Fossils from the excavations and nearby surface collecting suggest
that deer, muntjak, bovids, pig,
hippopotamus, rhinoceros, Stegodon, and large cat inhabited the delta,
together with Homo erectus.

The delta plain included-and perhaps was largely covered with--
grasslands. Stable-carbon isotope signatures ( 13C)
have been obtained from the enamel of teeth of bovids, cervids, and
other animals from the hominid bed and
other localities in the hominid-bearing sequence in the Perning
district. This is the first use the stable-isotope
method to characterize the paleoenvironment of Homo erectus in Jawa.
The results encourage the more
widespread use of the technique. Most of the carbon isotope results
fit the C4 photosynthetic pathway
characteristic of tropical grasses."

If doughboy spent more time at the library and less time telling lies
on sap, he wouldn't look so ignorant.


- Chiwondo Beds Malawi: Homo fossils, fish, turtles, crocodiles, large
mammals & molluscs 'in consolidated beds of carbonate cemented sandstone.
Molluscan shell beds crop out as benches up to several meters thick and
several hundred meters wide' (Schrenk cs.1995:59).

- The late Pliocene Chemeron hominid KNM-BC 1 was deposited in a lake filled
basin where fish remains were abundant & mollusc remains accumulated to form
shelly limestones (Martyn & Tobias 1967).
- Early Pleistocene archaeol.sites from the Jordan Valley Erk-el-Ahmar &
¹Ubeidiya are associated with lacustrine & fluvial deposits rich in fresh
water gastropod and bivalve remains, fish, turtles, hippos & birds
(Bar-Yosef & Tchernov 1972).

A few Homo fossils that floated onto a beach means nothing. C4
isotopic signature of teeth prove no sedges, no algae = no littorial
livestyle.



- Aïn Hanech, 1.8 Ma, was formed on an alluvial floodplain cut by a
meandering river (oxbow lake), and may indicate repeated activities by
hominids at a shallow river embankment (Sahnouni cs.2002).

"may indicate"??? C4 proves no littorial lifestyle.


- Pabbi Hills, Pakistan, 2 Ma: deposits which also contain crocodiles,
turtles, aquatic gastropods & bivalves. The molluscs suggest a large,
slow-moving river with clean shallow water less than 5 m deep (Dennell
2004).

Crocodiles prove no littorial lifestyle possible, only food for crocs
possible. Thanks Marc, that's a keeper.

- Sangiran, Java: H.erectus: 'a thin layer of diatoms (unicellular marine
phytoplankton) & dark clays with a marine musselfauna was deposited by the
sea, as was noticed and described before by Professor Martin from Leiden'
(von Koenigswald 1981).

No tools, no home base = no littorial lifestyle.

- Hominids on Java were using mollusc shells to butcher mammals, presumably
to gain access to nutritious meats 1.5 Ma (Choi & Driwantoro 2007).

Yep, shells good enough to cut with, but not good enough to eat. C4
isotopic signature proves what they were cutting. Answer: savanna
fauna.



- Majuangou, Nihewan, China, 1.66 Ma: hominids inhabited a lake filled
basin, where the remains of aquatic molluscs, leaves & fruits of aquatic
plants have been discovered, indicating a low energy lakeshore or marsh
environment (Zhu cs.2004).

Basins are dry land with savanna animals. Do you have a point?

- Middle Awash, Daka Member, Bouri Formation, Ethiopia, 1 Ma, contains
artefacts, H.erectus cranial & postcrania, abundant hippo fossils,
gastropods & bivalves associated with alluvial, lakeside beaches or shallow
water deposits in distributary channels (Asfaw cs.2002).

One Ma? Homo evolution nearly over by then. Gona = Homo on savanna at
2.6 mya.

- Dungo V, Angola, reveals evidence for the exploitation of a large whale
(Balaenoptera sp) on a former beach >1 Ma. Closely associated with the whale
skeleton were numerous Lower Palaeolithic artefacts, together with numerous
molluscs, other marine invertebrates & shark teeth (Gutierrez cs.2001). Of
course, we all know that sharks run on 2 legs over the African savanna.

Marc believes that sharks teeth, also found with the whale and tools
on the same beach, must mean sharks are littorial also.





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