Re: Eritrean stone tools prove use of marine resources 2 million years too late

On Jul 15, 1:37 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Op 15-07-2007 16:40, in artikel
1184510424.046092.149...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lee Olsen
<paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> schreef:





On Jul 15, 6:58 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Op 15-07-2007 14:04, in artikel
1184501089.513091.64...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lee Olsen
<paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> schreef:

On Jul 15, 2:44 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Same out-of-date blahblah answer.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?artrefid=7615525...

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Gona = ostrich = hot, arid setting = core tools = meat = smart.

Here are the facts:

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Jason Eshleman

Listen to what real scientists have to say:

That some people run after antelopes does not mean our ancestors did that.

Well doughboy, our ancesters certainly weren't swimming after sharks!

http://www.biarms.com/PhotoAlbums/sharkATTACK1.jpg

That some people walked on the moon does not mean our ancestors did that.
Okidoki?

No evidence of cut-marked antelope bones on the moon, but there is at
Gona 2.6 mya, got it?


Listen what real "PAs" (not loons like you) have to say on the subject:
PV Tobias 1998
"Water and human evolution"
Out There 3:38-44

WHAT??? You are citing 10 year-old lip sevice?

"Humans are not savannah-adapted animals -

Now I have two liars to deal with???

Mr. Karoha is laughing at you both.

http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/
December 2006-January 2007

Running Man Couch potatoes may disagree, but people are fairly well
built to run in the heat. We sweat more per unit of body surface area
than any other animal, and our upright posture exposes less body
surface to the sun than would walking on all fours, and more surface
to the cooling wind. On the hunt, those traits give people a distinct
advantage over most quarry. In fact, Australian Aborigines and various
Native American and African groups have traditionally practiced
"persistence hunting," chasing antelopes or other game in the midday
heat, often for hours, until the animals overheat and collapse.
During the past twenty years, Louis Liebenberg, an animal tracker and
the owner of CyberTracker Software in Cape Town, South Africa, has
observed the only persistence hunters still left, the !Xo and /Gwi
bushmen of the central Kalahari in Botswana. He reports a success rate
as high as 80 percent-and a meat yield that beats hunting with bow and
arrow, club, or spear. Only hunting with dogs proved superior.
Conditions have to be just right: the days must be long and hot, and
the terrain must slow down the quarry. Furthermore, the hunters must
be terrifically fit-the runs Liebenberg observed lasted as long as six-
and-a-half hours and covered as many as twenty-two miles. And the
hunters' tracking skills must be exquisite; finding and following the
quarry every time it bolts out of sight or mingles with a herd is no
easy task-teamwork helps. But done right, Liebenberg says, persistence
hunting is so effective that it may have helped select for the
excellent thermoregulatory system, bipedal posture, and long strides
that we all possess. Perhaps sadly, the practice is dying out, though
the physical skill endures in those who shun couches and run for fun.
(Current Anthropology)
--Stéphan Reebs

"Specifically, longer, more linear bodies are better adapted for heat
loss in dry open environments, where evaporative heat loss from
sweating is very effective. All modern-day tall "elongated" African
(e.g., Nilotics) are restricted to such environments."
Alan Walker and Richard Leakey editors. 1993 The Nariokotome Homo
Erectus Skeleton. Harvard University Press, Cambridge

"Two independent lines of research converged on the conclusion that
early Homo was an efficient runner, the first human species to be so
(Leakey (1994:55)"


In rejecting the SH, I was moved
primarily by the evidence unearthed in S.& E.Africa.

This guy never heard of Gona? How sad.

Meanwhile, Elaine
Morgan had been piecing together a nr of other arguments against the SH,
based on some anat., biochem.& physiol.data of modern humans,

Another loon shows up... A'piths aren't modern Homo dear.


much of which
was collected by Belgium's Dr Marc Verhaegen, which contrast sharply with
the traits in present-day animals that are truly adapted to savannah life.

Yeah, Marc's collected evidence mountain beavers are semi-aquatic.
ROFL

Did this clown think we are other animals? We are better adapted to
the savanna than the average kudu.
http://tinyurl.com/32ryet

As examples, modern humans lack sun-reflecting fur & are virtually hairless.
The cooling system in our skin is quite unfit for hot, dry, exposed
environments: we have numerous sweat glands , we waste water & sodium - not
very suitable for life on the savannah.

How utterly insane. How does this clown think the tools got out there
on the hot savanna?
If it kudu had less hair and more SC fat he probably would get away
from Mr. Karoha.

Our ability to concentrate our urine
is poor & too low and if ever our earliest ancestors were savannah dwellers,
we must have been the worst, the most profligate urinators there. Adapted
savannah-dwellers need to drink more water at a time, but most humans are
not able to drink much at a time. The quantity of our subcutaneous fat,
which would insulate us against heat loss, is never found in truly
savannah-adapted animals.

Evidence means absolutely nothing to imagination freaks.
Gona 2.6 mya = ostrich = hot savanna.
Dmanisi 1.8 mya = ostrich = hot savanna
Oysters = modern humans 125 kya.

>In our bodily functions,
chemistry and microscopical anatomy, we should be hopeless as
savannah-dwellers. So Marc Verhaegen & Elaine Morgan, in her remarkable
book, The Scars of Evolution, came to the same conclusion that we had
reached from quite different lines of evidence: the old SH° was not tenable.

He finally gets something right "OLD" and much out of date SH. Try the
new up-to-date one.
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Marc Verhaegin says: "AAT is about Homo, *not* about hominids in
general."
Even Marc gets something right if you give him enough tries.

The question today is how did Homo get endurant bipedalism, which is
much different than Apith bipedalism. On the savanna of course.


All former savannah supporters must recant , this I did in London. It was an
exciting moment - living thru a change of paradigm.

Wrong paradigm bud, this is 2007. Yes, we know, Pilltdown was a hoax
also.


Max Planck, the German
physicist & Nobel laureate, once wrote these words on the replacement of an
outworn paradigm: "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its
opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents
eventually die, and a new generation grows that is familiar with it." That
must be one of the masterpieces of cynicism on the scientific process.
Paradigm changes, I like to think, flow overwhelmingly from new evidence
and, where the evidence is sound and even irresistible, they should be
embraced just as lief by the old as by the young. It was three weeks after
my 71th birthday and I went on to declare, "A change of paradigm shakes us
up; it rejuvenates us; and, this above all, it prevents mental fossilisation
- and that is good for all of us.""

Out of date, but to be expected, the poor man was from a different
generation. He knew nothing of Gona or ostriches or differences in
apith and Homo bipedalism (see Wang and Preuschoft). Things were a lot
simpler in his day. Good-bye Tobias, have a nice day.

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