Re: Our-cavemen-ancestors-200-000-years-ago-were-brilliant-at-barbequing!

On Sep 24, 3:54 pm, charles <charles.uzz...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 23, 10:33 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Sep 23, 7:10 pm, charles <charles.uzz...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sep 22, 10:51 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/169128.php/Our-cavemen-ancestors-200-0...

"Lead author Reuven Yeshurun has discovered a Misliya Cave in Mount
Carmel, Israel, and found evidence of a relatively sophisticated
hunting and food preparation style. He said the cave presented "the
full array of modern hunting behaviour", adding that this behaviour
included "systematic hunting of large, prime-age animals, transport of
the animals - or parts thereof - to the site, systematic butchery in
order to extract meat and marrow, and roasting the meat".

Very cool research... love to see cut marks and stone tools related to
each other (since that is an area, IMHO, that needs clear-er
research).

[web.pdx.edu]

"Usewear must be considered a probabilistic science, and as in other
realms of anthropological and archaeological inquiry, it is necessary
always to use multiple, independent lines of evidence to make the
best
case for a given argument."

The above authors meet this test in spades. Cut marks are collaborated
w/spiral fractures, bone-distribution percentages,
burnt bones etc....

I have climbed on parts of Mt. Carmel. It is surrounded on three
sides by water,

Great, give us some input. How deep are the surrounding waters? Anyway
a person might get depth charts for this area?

Climbed "on" is the operative word... in that just saying "climbed"
would imply some sort of mountain climbing with ropes and etc., which
isn't what i did. Heck, there is a road up and over it and all
around. That road was a pretty good hike, as were a few other spots.
Great archeology all around there. Mt Carmel is surrounded by the
Mediterrean and Haifa Bay.

http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%...
"The highest peaks of the Carmel reach an altitude of more than 500 m,
but a significant portion of the Carmel does not rise above 300 m. The
total width of the Carmel ridge is about 15-25 km, where the
horizontal distance from peak to mountain foot is 10-20 km upwind
(western slope) but only 2-4 km downwind (eastern slope). Because of
its proximity to the sea, the Carmel is one of the rainiest areas in
Israel: its highest portions receive more than 700 mm ofrain a year.

Thanks, I did not know the mts. were that big. It is a puzzle how the
ostrich shells got there. This is going to take some more research.


" [from a study of why there is a significant difference in rainfall
on the "wrong" leeward side of Carmel.]
thanks for the tool data posted below
regards
charles





so it was interesting to see this chunk:
"He said the archaeologists also found 28 fragments of ostrich
eggshells, perhaps indicating that the cave dwellers ate huge ostrich
eggs too."

Yep, no algae, no coconuts, no seahells. Pretty much your normal
savanna creatures.

and also of extreme interest is this:
"Yeshurun and his team say if Homo sapiens were in Israel 200,000
years ago, that could rewrite human history."

"if" pigs could fly...could go either way. Need more tool data. Hn and
Hss were using basically the same tools at this time, but there were
some slight differences.

Although I guess this could be explained by a land bridge...
literally... since that part of the Middle East may not have broken
away from the Egypt part at that time 200 kya. ???

The Mediterranean has fluctuated in depth (I think I have a paper on
this somewhere). Maybe the level was low at the time of occupation and
the sea was at a greater distance then or they just didn't like
seafood.

The rock is
identical across that region.http://wmthemes.jessanderson.org/doc/earth_from_apollo.html

and across this land bridge we traveled very quickly. It isn't that
hard to imagine that we traveled a long way in a few thousand years of
our initial evolution into hss. That is, say we mutated and became
hss 201,000 years ago, then that gives a full 1000 years to travel to
Mt. Carmel and set up shop keeping. <smile>

Thanks for the article.
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