Re: Michael Clark, would you like to make a retraction?

On Feb 11, 11:40 pm, claudiusd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Feb 11, 5:19 pm, "Makouli" <m...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Could you take some time out of your busy
schedule to show me just what you'd like
me to retract? Or are we gonna play this
little dodge game of yours until the cows
come home?
If you now say that you dispute Lee's assertion that HE regularly
outran predators and ran-down kudu and antelope why did you not
dispute it before?  And then there's the rather obvious observation
that humans cannot go far without access to fresh water.  It never
even occurred to you that this was inconsistent with reality as we
know it.  As long as it comes from the mouth of an anthropologists
you treat it as gospel--literally.

First of all, as Lee says elsewhere, such a thing was never
said.  

Well, I think anybody here can use a search engine and come to their
own conclusion on this point.

Why don't you use this search engine thingy you keep going
on about? I, and anyone else so bored that they're interested in
this discussion, have already done so and thus have already
arrived at this conclusion you mention. Since you fail to point
to any search result, we can only conclude that such a result
cannot be favorable to you and that you, by omission, concede
the point.

So how can I dispute or support something that exists
in your mind only?

Well then maybe you can help me flesh out the details of HE lifestyle.
I'm trying to get a better idea of how you envision and/or literalize
your notion that HE regularly escaped (or is it "outdistanced" --
whatever that means) lion-like predators.  For starters let me ask
this one question, do envision HE running and simultaneously straining
to look back, poking at the lion?  What other details can you
enlighten us with?

Instead of using Google to review your own humiliating
defeats at the hands of school children, perhaps you
could use it to look up HE? Wouldn't that be fun?
Here, let's take one right off the top:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkana_boy

Looks like these authors suggest that HE had
narrower hips ~and thus were *better* runners~
than HS is today. There are other ways to avoid
predators but one of the easiest is to stay outside
of the zone where any short sprint by the predator
would result in your genes being removed from the
pool. Outside of this zone, the predator cannot
close the disance in the time it takes the prey to
multiply it --and thus will not attack. Every prey
species knows this distance and watches it very
carefully and HE was no different from other species
in this regard. Nobody outruns a lion in ten feet,
but give HE (or HS) a half mile and they'll literally run
circles around them.

So now what about this "..simultaneously straining
to look back, poking at the lion?" nonsense? Don't
you feel ashamed for even typing such crap?

And what of the point that humans need
fresh water?  And how is it supposed to ocurr to me "that this
was inconsistent with reality as we know it?

You really have no understanding of evolutionary biology at all.  Do
you?

Be honest.  It's not like it isn't apparent to anybody reading this.

I am being honest, Dimmy. I'm asking you a question.
A question that you are evading with alot of insulting
nonsense.

How am I supposed
to parse such a combobulation of sentences?

Don't ask me.  It's your fantasy.  You are the one that puts HE in
treeless habitat competing with sabertoothed lion, outrunningand hyena
hunting and scavenging large mammals.

But I don't subscribe to any fantasies, Dimmy.
I'm well aware of the competition for resources
in the early pleistocene and I know what the
availability of water means for survival. Where you
seem to hobble yourself is in your idea of the savanna
being an arrid "treeless plain". It is not --and where it
tended to be, people, and presumeably HE, didn't live
there in any densities. Further, predators do not
dominate the landscape such that they preclude the
survival of their hosts. There are ways to live with
lions as any African Masai can tell you. Finally, this
is all ~real simple stuff~ and it remains an intriguing
psychological question why you should spend the
better part of a month beating around the bush about
it when a simple google search could've settled it all
in less than a second.


Sure, without fresh
water, and depending on the environment, humans are good for
about 2 days.  

Right.  So they'd be extremely vulnerable to drought and its
complications than, let's say, a zebra.  Right?  Or even a babboon.
Right?  Kinda make you wonder what they were doing out in the treeless
savanna

Again, your ignorance is showing.

I wouldn't call that an upward bound nor can I
resist pointing out that alot of wusses start complaining much
earlier than that but ~~so what ~~ ?  Is there a point to this
wild goose chase?

Well, I think it's great that you are coming out of your shell.  I
don't know about everybody else but I think it would be especially
enlightening if you could provide us more details as to how HE
defended themselves agains sabertoothed cats and packs of bear-sized
hyena?  Please provide us as many gemlike details as your heart
desires.

I just did --and have given you far more than
you deserve. Your mis-characterization of the
environment, and the behavior of predators, noted.

So when you finally do get around to *substance* , we
discover that all that McGinnian posturing was just that.
Would you like me to say that I'm surprised?

Well, honestly, to be surprised one must first have some
understanding.  So, I guess you could say that I'd be surprised if you
were truly surprised.  But I'm willing to let you indulge the
fantasy.

*** you, Dimmy.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the lack of
thought that comes from you is truly indicative of a lack of
understanding.

You're way out of your league here, Dimmy.  Maybe you
should get into creative writing or some sort of poetry/
performance art....?

I wouldn't pretend to compete with your imagination.  Unfortunately my
thinking is grounded in reality.  I could not, for example, even begin
to imagine hominids out-running lion and hyena.

Your "thinking", as is demonstrated daily in this group,
is most certainly ~not~ gounded in reality. One needs
to look no further than your two assertions in this thread
for proof positive. See if your imagination can deal with
that.

It is becoming more and more apparent why you are so threatened by
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The thing that pisses me off the most about the AAT
(and you, Dimmy) is that it distracts from what this
group *could be*. It would be nice to be talking about
current research or puzzling over PA problems but
instead we get this GD sideshow starring Marco and
Dimmy. Anybody with better things to do has left long
ago.


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