Re: "carnivore tooth marks"

Marc Verhaegen wrote:

Op 19-02-2008 14:36, in artikel
64865e6c-f1ba-4fc2-a453-ad8f65fbc0dd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Lee Olsen
<paleocity@xxxxxxxxxxx> schreef:

On Feb 19, 4:12 am, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Domínguez-Rodrigo and his team

Savanna fantast snips the recent stuff & replaces it by outdated stuff:

Not outdated, Marc. *You* cited


http://www.alphagalileo.org/index.cfm?ez_search=1&fuseaction=readrelease&releaseid=527154

which is not a paper. (Why were you afraid to post the url?)

What you miss, Marc, is that the paper below that Lee posted (located at

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJS-4HYN51P-1&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F28%2F2006&_rdoc=1&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_cdi=6886&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=1&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=60d0ab0bc367a7353f1e15e424a8b98f

or http://tinyurl.com/2rrdw2 )

is by the same author(s), Domínguez-Rodrigo et al with the following in the abstract

These multiple lines of evidence support previous analyses of cut marks and their
anatomical distribution; all indicate that hominids had early access to fleshed
carcasses that were transported, processed, and accumulated at the FLK Zinj site.

The paper referred to in the reference section of your AlphaGalileo link

Five more arguments to invalidate the passive scavenging version of the
carnivore-hominid-carnivore model: a reply to Blumenschine et al. (2007a)

is at

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJS-4PHJMGM-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3b4e38f2dc9df4aa63087dc80d40ee3c

or http://tinyurl.com/23fxcn

states clearly in the intro

In our original paper (Domínguez-Rodrigo and Barba, 2006), we clearly stated
that the version of the carnivore-hominid-carnivore model that we falsified
was the model most commonly defended...This model is the only one we challenged
in our research.

that the scope of their work was limited to examining ONE model.

As usual, you jump to conclusions and failed to fully look into it.

M Dominguez-Rodrigo et al.
New estimates of tooth mark and percussion mark frequencies at the FLK
Zinj site
J Hum Evol. 2005 Dec 30
"Traditional interpretations of hominid carcass acquisition strategies
revolve around the debate over whether early hominids hunted or
scavenged. A popular version of the scavenging scenario is the
carnivore-hominid-carnivore hypothesis, which argues that hominids
acquired animal resources primarily through passive opportunistic
scavenging from felid-defleshed carcasses. Its main empirical support
comes from the analysis of tooth mark frequency and distribution at
the FLK Zinj site reported by Blumenschine (Blumenschine, 1995, J.
Hum. Evol. 29, 21-51), in which it was shown that long bone mid-shafts
exhibited a high frequency of tooth marks, only explainable if felids
had preceded hominids in carcass defleshing. The present work shows
that previous estimates of tooth marks on the FLK Zinj assemblage were
artificially high, since natural biochemical marks were mistaken for
tooth marks. Revised estimates are similar to those obtained in
experiments in which hyenas intervene after humans in bone
modification. Furthermore, analyses of percussion marks, notches, and
breakage patterns provide data which are best interpreted as the
results of hominid activity (hammerstone percussion and marrow
extraction), based on experimentally-derived referential frameworks.
These multiple lines of evidence support previous analyses of cut
marks and their anatomical distribution; all indicate that hominids
had early access to fleshed carcasses that were transported,
processed, and accumulated at the FLK Zinj site."
.

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