Re: The Question Gerrit Won't Answer

claudiusdenk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Mar 2, 8:07 pm, Rich Travsky <traRvE...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
claudiusd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Feb 25, 8:42 am, Rich Travsky <traRvE...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Paul Crowley wrote:
"Gerrit Hanenburg" <G.Hanenb...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
"Claudius Denk" <claudiusd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Concluding that because some adult men in some tropical tribes
run after prey on open planes our far ancestors lived there is
utterly ridiculous.

Nobody ever jumped to that conclusion on that basis. Modern
persistance hunters are merely possible analogues.

Don't you think you should be basing your arguments on what is most
parsimonious rather than what is possible?

"The fool who knows of his ignorance, indeed, through that very
consideration becomes a wise man.

Do you believe that standard PA (taken
by-and-large) is aware of the full extent
of its ignorance about the forms of life
of early hominids?

Are you aware of the full extent of your ignorance about the forms of life
of early hominids?

But that conceited fool who
consideres himself learned is, in fact, called a fool".

Most disciplines (whether genuine or
fraudulent, or a mixture) function through
'learned journals' or 'scientific' publications.
The great bulk of PA people do not question
the scientific nature of its jounals. Do you
believe that they qualify as such?

As opposed to what? a priori?

No answer.

Parsimony and possibility are not exclusive categories.

Modern persistance hunters are NOT
possible analogues. They barely survive
but have all manner of technology not
available to early hominids.

Irrelevant. Persistence hunting would not be the sole means of procuring food.

Ludicrous. They were primarily vegetarian, frugivorous. Just like
modern humans.

That's what I said.

Then why do you propose that animals that are primarily vegetarian,
frugivorous would be miles away from sources thereof?

Miles away???? If they go go out that distance they can go back. Why do you
have so much trouble with the obvious?

Thanks for agreeing. Altho you're wrong in stating
that humans are primarily vegetarian. The ubiquity of McDonalds shows that.

Chimps hunting monkeys resembles relay if not persistence hunting.

Relay?

Yes. Continue reading, right below, next sentence, "See Craig..."

See Craig Stanford's "The Hunting Apes: Meat Eating and the Origins
of Human Behavior".

Chimpanzee hunting behavior tells us much about chimpanzee society.

We're address humas, not chimps.

Take it up with Stanford - that's from the excerpt.

It's your fantasy.

Not a fantasy, that's the field observations.

[...] Chimpanzees usually hunt in social groups, and the larger the
hunting party, the greater their odds of making a kill. [...] The
increased chances of hunting success provide an incentive for joint
action and some degree of cooperation during a hunt, though whether
hunts are highly coordinated appears to differ from one chimpanzee
society to the next.

Relevance?

Relates to forms of hunting. See above where persistence hunting is referred to.

Obviosly if chimps display this behavior and they, obviously, have not
evolved into humans then this, obviously, is not a good model for
hominid evolution. How was this not obvious to you?

WHat's the genetic similarity between chimps and humans? ;)

In Tai National Park, the Swiss primatologist Christophe Boesch has
reported extraordinary levels of cooperation among hunters. Some hunters
act as drivers, pushing the colobus through the treetops toward other
chimpanzees who have climbed into the monkeys' path to intercept them.
Those hunters who fail to make a kill but who have contributed to the
overall success of the hunt end up receiving a share of meat from the
captor. In this system of altruistic reciprocity - help me catch a
monkey now and I will reward you with a scrap of meat - Boesch sees
the roots of sophisticated levels of cooperation in humans.

Yeah, so? What's this got to do with the issue under discussion?

Try to follow.

The excerpt covers a related form of hunting and the motivations there of.
Chimps are "primarily vegetarian" too yet hunt.

Uh huh. And therefore, you nitwit, it's worthless for providing us
any insight to hominid/human evolution.

How is it worthless?
.

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