Diverting attention from the real issues of hominid evolution

On Apr 10, 10:08 pm, Day Brown <daybr...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 7, 3:32 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 7, 12:35 pm, Marc Verhaegen <m_verhae...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Everything we know suggests our ancestors always lived near lots of water > > Idiot, near it isn't in it.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/aop/olorg2004/dispatch/star...

"The idea of sleeping on the higher ground rather than next to water
seemed an attractive idea. Lakes, ponds, and stream channels in the
African bush are good natural sources of water and plant food during
the day. But at night they turn into really great places if you want
to be hunted down as prey! The water margins attract the big and small
predators that like to hunt in the dark of night. Even today at
Olorgesailie, we often go to sleep hearing hyenas, jackals, and
sometimes lions growling and whooping off in the distance during their
nighttime prowls. Anyway, early humans could get food in the lowlands
- that's where they left the chipped stone tools and other evidence of
their activities. And, unlike earlier hominins, they could have
avoided the favored hunting areas of other predators if they got to
higher ground at night."

got part of their foods from the water:

Oh, you found some early Homo crayfish middens? Great, why are you
hiding
this important evidence, we all would like to see it.

I dont see that sarcasm or ad hominum strengthens your case.

This would assume that Marc has a case. Marc does nothing but make
some rather obvious observations that hominids would be located close
to sources of fresh water. I mean like, DUH. Meanwhile none of the
real issues of hominid evolution are addressed. With Apith we still
have and animal that, like its chimpanzee-like ancestors, resided in
treed habitat and still has a hunting gathering lifestyle. And thus
with Marc's particular brand of biological vagueness we are still left
with an explanation that fails to explain why hominids have evolved
into the highly social, cultural, and communally territorialistic
species that is us modern humans.

The only thing that distinguishes AAT from Conventional theory is that
AAT diverts attention from the real issues by vaguely referring to
water in the vicinity while conventional theory diverts attention away
from the real issues by vaguely referring to treeless habitat in the
vicinity. These arguments are equally stupid and equally absurd.

Hominid adaptations are clearly dry season related adaptations that
involves communal territorialism as the means to survive the dry
season and its predatory implications. You have to about be mentally
retarded to think they would spend much time in or very close to
predator infested waters or in predator infested treeless habitat.
A'pith were primarily frugivorous. And although the communal
territorialism would begin to set the stage for hominids gradually
evolving the ability to survive in or near water or out in treeless
habitat it would be a long time for these abilities--which themselves
were afforded by our intellect--to evolve.

I dont
see where he claims that hominids lived in water, only that they could
take advantage of it. Inasmuch as they still do, it begs the question
of when these aqautic adaptations began.

It also begs the question why you/we should refer to it as aquatic
when clearly it is not. Almost all species drink water. Does this
mean all species are aquatic?


I dont claim to know. We see
hominids also adapted and lived in arid regions, but I dont see the
data to show when that began either.

Evolutionarily, it makes sense that both ecosystems would have been
useful at one time or other, and that the lines which could propagate
in both would be more common.

Obviously.

Now tell us your theory on why humans are the most social and
communally territorialistic species known to exist.
.

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