Re: 40 kya footprints in Mexico?

On Jun 7, 6:45 pm, "Dwight E. Howell" <deo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
caldervang...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 1, 5:43 pm, Daryl Krupa <icycal...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On May 29, 5:59 pm, "caldervang...@xxxxxxxxx"

<caldervang...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/32728/title/Footprints_in_....
Footprints left in volcanic ash that fell in central Mexico’s
Valsequillo Basin about 40,000 years ago
  Actually, that should read
"volcanic ash that fell in what is now central Mexico’s
Valsequillo Basin some time before mud was deposited
in a lake that first appeared about 40,000 years ago".

<snip>

the coarse-grained, print-ridden volcanic ash —
which would have hardened quickly after it fell,
  Yes, it hardens quickly because it soon cools from
a soft, impressionable red-hot tempreature to
a hard, unimpressionable still-hot-enough-to-
cook-human-flesh-on-contact temperature.
  The foorprints should show ev idence of a human being
stepping onto the hot volcanic ash, jumping backwards,
and leaving chunks of toe meat seared to the surface.

or even an outline, like a pedestrian smacked on the highway.

strongly suggest the material fell around 40,000 years ago,
<snip>

  No, no, no, they still have nothing to refute
the independent dating that showed that the "footprints",
if made before the ash cooled and hardened
(which has not been proven)
and permanently aligned itself with the Earth's magnetic field,
had to have been formed before the last reversal of
the Earth's magnetic poles, which happened about
790 thousand years ago, because the magnetic polarity
recorded by the ash as it cooled is the reverse of
what we have today.
  A closer estimate is that the ash cooled and solidified during
the magnetic reversal period before the last one, more than
1, 070 thousand years ago, and probably about
1, 300 thousand years before the lake appeared above, not
just 2  thousand years before as Gonzalez would have it.

  You can see some older articles on the subject here:

http://terraeantiqvaefotos.zoomblog.com/cat/1795

  Gonzalez doesn't have a leg to stand on.

- Daryl Krupa

I am a "clovis first" sorta' fellow, but open to new evidence
(naturally... this is a science group after all!).  I am reading
through some of the older articles now.  (Ross, I thought I had seen
this before, but the date is so wacko from other solid evidence, that
I had ignored it.  Anyway, yes, old news but still getting airplay in
the Science press on occasion.)  (Ross, I thought Australia was
settled about 60 kya?  Is there not good evidence further back than 40
mya?)

Monte Verde has the best chance of blowing clovis first into the
historical footnotes, and in some ways, already has.  The 14,000 years
ago date makes the trek from the Bering Strait into a sprint.

A 40 kya ago footprint (just one?!?) is just random beyond reason.
regards
calder

I think I hear you saying that they can only say that mud was laid
down in the last 40,000 years... at any point since then... and not
necessarily way back then.

The date on when Europe was first inhabited by humans has had staggering
revisions over the last 20 or so years. It wasn't just for a lack of
evidence. First somebody with the right kind of knowledge and reputation
has got to look at and report something and for many decades reporting
anything as that old wasn't done though a few hints were hanging around
and known.

Even Folsom/Clovis was the kiss of death before a find was made with a
point in an extinct animal and people were hauled in to look at the
point still in place. Since the point had to have lodged there while the
bison was alive it did limit people's options.

Last and not least there is a certain lack of interest on the part of
many Americans about native American history especially when it comes to
spending money on it. Truth fully Native Americans haven't helped this
though pot hunters digging up the graves of your kin is upsetting.

I can't really speak to the science of the "footprints." I just
haven't studied that issue properly. If the timing for settlement in
the New World is pushed back, I would hope that we can find a lot more
evidence. More sites. Some of course have claimed that many of those
sites are underwater.

Americans ignore history in general, and specifically that of the
Native Americans. So i agree with you.

Lawson asked the Native Americans where their ancestors came from, and
they pointed to the west.
http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/lawson/lawson.html
which in that case would support the concept of crossing the Bering
Strait.
regards
c
.

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