Re: Tobias 1995

On Dec 18, 9:22 am, Algis <algiskuliu...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 17, 12:54 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 16, 4:27 pm, Algis <algiskuliu...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A newsgroup posting and the photos are scraping the barrel.  The book
ref is interesting and I'd like to see the original refs.

I was referring to the miniscule time involved with *both* accounts,
swimming and standing in water as a double-standard argument. Nothing
is still
nothing to measure, no matter what yardstick you use.

It's not miniscule. Jo Myers Thompson reported 24% bipedality in
bonobos at Lomako. Clearly the more time apes spend in water the more
time they're bipedal.


False, it was Lukuru. Jeez Algis, I only posted this yesterday,
showing that q'ped vs. biped wading varies between bonobo groups & may
indicate cultural preferences. Within hours, you're quoting out of
context & inaccurately. Is it any wonder we question your approach to
science? -

"
....

Foraging in streams and pools has been reported from Yalosidi (Uehara
1988),Wamba (Kano 1992), Lukuru (Myers-Thompson 2002), and Lomako
(Fruth 1995). Variation seems to exist in the type of locomotion that
occurs in this context: While bonobos at Lomako remain quadrupedal
when wading, reports from Wamba and from Lukuru indicate that bonobos
often go bipedal. This difference may well reflect differences in
habitat or in activity (fishing for insects versus fishing for algae),
flexible patterns of foraging that are likely to involve social
learning.
"
Culture in Bonobos? Between-Species and Within-Species Variation in
Behavior
Gottfried Hohmann and Barbara Fruth
Current Anthropology, Volume 44, Number 4, August–October 2003
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/377649

[Didn't read the rest...]

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