Re: Tobias 1995

On Dec 18, 8:07 am, rmacfarl <rmacf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 18, 9:22 am, Algis <algiskuliu...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It's not miniscule. Jo Myers Thompson reported 24% bipedality in
bonobos at Lomako. Clearly the more time apes spend in water the more
time they're bipedal.

False, it was Lukuru.

Jeez Algis, I only posted this yesterday,
showing that q'ped vs. biped wading varies between bonobo groups & may
indicate cultural preferences. Within hours, you're quoting out of
context & inaccurately. Is it any wonder we question your approach to
science? -

Sorry, I stand corrected. She reported 24% bipedality in bonobos at
Lukuru, not Lomako.
I don't see how this helps your arguent in the slightest.

“Bonobos foraging in the pools exhibited terrestrial (aquatic) bipedal
locomotion in 24.14% of encounters. Susman (1984) reported arboreal
bipedal locomotion in 6% of his observations. During Susman's study,
terrestrial locomotion was observed only a fraction of the time, due
to the low degree of habituation. However, the propensity for bonobos
to transition into bipedal locomotion during aquatic foraging as
determined by this initial study, requires further examination and
more extensive observation time. Also, caution must be exercised when
drawing any inferences from these findings. [I wonder what she meant
by that]” Myers Thompson (2002:67)

Myers Thompson, J. (2002). Bonobos of the Lukuru Wildlife Research
Project. In: Boesch, C., Hohman, G., Marchant, L. (eds.), (2002).
Behavioural Diversity in Chimpanzees and Bonobos. Cambridge
(Cambridge)

Is that out of context or inaccurate? If not I expect you to withdraw
that slur on my "approach to science".

Foraging in streams and pools has been reported from Yalosidi (Uehara
1988),Wamba (Kano 1992), Lukuru  (Myers-Thompson 2002), and Lomako
(Fruth 1995). Variation seems to exist in the type of locomotion that
occurs in this context: While bonobos at Lomako remain quadrupedal
when wading, reports from Wamba and from Lukuru indicate that bonobos
often go bipedal. This difference may well reflect differences in
habitat or in activity (fishing for insects versus fishing for algae),
flexible patterns of foraging that are likely to involve social
learning.
"
Culture in Bonobos? Between-Species and Within-Species Variation in
Behavior
Gottfried Hohmann and Barbara Fruth
Current Anthropology, Volume 44, Number 4, August–October 2003http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/377649

We can all go and find quotes to back our arguments. The point is that
Myers Thompsons' finding is (as far as i know - and I'm sure you'll
correct me if I'm not) the highest reported figure for bipedality in a
wild great ape. It begs the question: If Kevin Hunt had looked for
contexts for bipedalism in extant apes there, instead of the Gombe,
he'd have had a very different result.

Would have still submitted them, though? And if so, would JHE have
published them?

How different might things have been then.

Algis Kuliukas
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