Re: Zilhman and the rest completely misunderstand waterside hypotheses

Algis Kuliukas wrote:
On Jun 17, 4:03 pm, rmacfarl <rmacf...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 16, 11:05 pm, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 16, 3:46 am, Algis Kuliukas <al...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Never once has any aquasceptic
given a single argument worth a passing thought that this idea might
be wrong.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the hypothesis,
not for the rest of the field to refute a negative.

To demonstrate the fallacious reasoning used in your MA thesis,
run your moat test a gain, toss in treats, record the results.

http://image42.webshots.com/43/8/10/36/329981036YsLpaq_fs.jpg

Run test again, only this time drain all the water from the moat and
repeat toss and record results.

http://tinyurl.com/luwpy5

Conclusion, water is not needed to obtain bipedal result.

Of course, careful analysis of Algis' own data shows that the greatest
behavioural correlation with bipedality of the Planckendael bonobos
was food-carrying. That includes the wading - the reason that the
bonobos entered the water at all was to pick up floating food items,
usually thrown in by thoughtless visitors. What would Owen Lovejoy
make of his data, I wonder?

http://www.riverapes.com/Me/Work/BipedalismThesis.htm- Hide quoted text -

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Well, considering Owen Lovejoy - like the rest of the anthropological
geniuses that have spent their careers supposedly specialising in this
- has never noticed that the one place that apes are guaranteed to
move bipedally is in shallow water... who cares?

Back to that again... You've never ever been able to show this amounts to
a significant amount of their time - that is, in water. *FORCED* into water...

Well if in one minute of wading in a flooded gallery forest might kill
you, then yes - even one minute is enough.


Yet, on land, there are numerous occasions and contexts for bipedal behavior:


http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/12366/wm/pd1019574.jpg

this is a particularly interesting one:
http://www.cite-sciences.fr/francais/ala_cite/science_actualites/media/1/14073/QACTU_IMG_PREVIEW.jpg

http://lolayabonobo.wildlifedirect.org/files/2008/07/lr-bonobo-247-044.jpg

http://webh01.ua.ac.be/funmorph/kirsten/bip.jpg

http://www.history.umd.edu/Faculty/Landau/images/images-Images/7.jpg

http://www2.biologie.fu-berlin.de/humanbio/bono1.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/bonobo%20bipedal/Primate_bucket/bonobo.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mvNaIDtcZmc/SImFzaUT_-I/AAAAAAAAAlc/b7wF3Ezi9hY/s400/lr+bonobo+15.7+b+057.jpg

As they live on *land*, what do you think their preference is?


http://www.springerlink.com/content/k645m130m255652h/
Densities, Distributions, and Seasonal Movements of Gorillas and
Chimpanzees in Swamp Forest in Northern Congo
Journal International Journal of Primatology
Publisher Springer Netherlands
ISSN 0164-0291 (Print) 1573-8604 (Online)
Issue Volume 25, Number 2 / April, 2004
DOI 10.1023/B:IJOP.0000019153.50161.58
John R. Poulsen and Connie J. Clark
...
We recorded significantly greater numbers of apes in terra firma
forest during the high-water season than the low-water season,
indicating that many gorillas and chimpanzees are at times
concentrated in terra firma forest amid a matrix of swamp forest.
...
.

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