Re: Reply to MIB529, part 1

From: P.Comm (tjsrno_at_spampost.com)
Date: 06/24/04 

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:49:44 GMT

"Jenab" <goatlyones@moonshinehollow-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
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> Really, what liberals demand of racists is a complete demonstration of
> a genetic basis for Black promiscuity at the level of quantum physics,

OK, I almost lost a mouthful of coffee right here. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

What liberals demand, when "genetics" comes into the convo, is absolutely,
100% accuracy with no exceptions.

> with the analysis showing the connection between subatomic particles
> and behavior at each step of the way. Upon the failure of racists to
> meet such a ridiculously high standard, the liberals assert that their
> own dogma must be adopted as the default basis of education and public
> policy.

And that has near destroyed this country - and if it continues? Well, we'll
be in a 3rd world.
>
> > MIB529wrote:
> Conspicuously sexually restrained. Much of the western coast of
> Africa
> > was.

Even the blacks from the 50s that I mentioned were quite shy - they had
adopted very Christian type (that's western) values and held tight to them -
they were also not so BOLD as to do the things they got used to doing later
on in the 60s.

> How odd. I've seen "candid camera" type anthropological films in
> which African Black men performed homosexual rape or bestiality
> publicly. I'm not certain in what part of Africa these films were
> made. The films were made for documentary, not pornographic,
> purposes, and the sexual displays were incidental to the filmer's
> intent to gather a record of African tribal culture.

Well, when using the word "restrained" one has to look at the tribal
practices. Our men are restrained as well - as far as we are concerned.
Want to know what Tatar men do in war to those they've beaten? Rape
everything in sight. That's restrained. It's war, after all - it's
EXPECTED.
>
> Likewise, the government of South Africa passed legislation last year
> prohibiting men from having sex with goats. The law was believed to
> be needed to prevent farm animals in the northern part of the country
> from being lessened in market value on the chance that they might have
> been exposed to HIV.

I think Mib is reacxting to his own specific experiece as an NA to what
really is whites going around raping women. That is NOT the norm.
>
> But as to the "restrained" character of Ashanti sexuality, I invite
> you to peruse a document entitled "Experimental research on sexual
> networking in some selected areas of Ghana," which you will find at
>
> http://htc.anu.edu.au/pdfs/Anarfi2.pdf
>
> Here's an excerpt...
>
> > John K. Anarfi and Kofi Awusabo-Asarewrote:
> [b:ba6fc4f78a]Abstract: Despite increasing evidence that West Africa
> is at a critical stage in its experience of the AIDS pandemic, there
> is a lack of specific information about the sexual behaviour of
> people in the society. To provide such information, 360 individuals
> were surveyed. Results indicate that the nature of sexual contacts
> within Ghanaian society has the potential to promote the spread of
> STDs and AIDS. Polygyny, central in Ghanaian socio-cultural
> organization, underlies the male tendency to seek multiple sexual
> partners. Early widowhood, the general instability of marriage and
> the high level of remarriage, also suggest that there is a high level
> of sexual networking within the society. Although Ghanaian society
> accepts sexual networking, and some people are even casual about the
> AIDS scare, it appears that people are changing their sexual habits
> in response to the campaign on AIDS, which seems to have succeeded in
> instilling fear.[/b:ba6fc4f78a]
> >
> > 1. John K. Anarfi is from the Institute for Statistical, Social and
> Economic Research, University of Ghana, Accra, Ghana.
> >
> > 2. Kofi Awusabo-Asare is from the Department of Geography,
> University of Cape Coast, Cape Coast, Ghana.
>
> It seems that Ghanans are "restrained" only in comparison with Blacks
> from eastern and southern Africa, who are [i:ba6fc4f78a]even more
> promiscuous than the Ghanans are,[/i:ba6fc4f78a] but that their level
> of "restraint" falls far short of that customary among Whites. Just
> because the Ashanti don't engage in the whimsical sodomization of
> cows and goats doesn't mean that their sexual behavior is restrained
> enough to prevent the transmission of STD's at rates far higher than
> those found among Whites.

As I said, the behavior is restrained within the cultural norms of THAT
group of people. Moslem Tatars are a lot more "restrained" than non-Moslem
Tatars. They do not practice polyandry at all. Heh. And coming to the USA
where you are only allowed to have ONE wife (unless you are a Mormon?) -
they are even more restrained.
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> The European winters provided evolutionary pressure on the developing
> White race in several ways. It favored an increase in brain size as a
> defense against brain damage by freezing.
> > MIB529wrote:
> No, it favors brachycephaly, not necessarily an increase in brain
> size.
> No, it favors an increase in brain size, not necessarily
> brachycephaly. The basis of the mechanism is the same as that for
> water tanks exposed to cold weather: the larger they are, the less
> likely it is that they will freeze solid. Making them wider in one
> dimension, while reducing the other dimensions to keep the volume
> constant, would not help prevent freezing. Rather, it would do the
> opposite by increasing the surface-area-to-volume ratio of the water
> mass.
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> It favored an increase in mental foresight to meet the challenge of
> reduced food availability in the winter.
> > MIB529wrote:
> As opposed to the dry season in tropical climates, I'm sure. And
> Europeans did *not* have any mental foresight in the Middle Ages.
> Europe was horribly overpopulated, and fields were regularly
> trampled.
> The dry season in tropical climates was precisely when obtaining meat
> was [i:ba6fc4f78a]easiest[/i:ba6fc4f78a] in Africa. The animals had
> to come to the river banks or the watering holes, whose locations
> were known to the natives, where drinking prey were easily ambushed.
> No similar mechanism existed in Europe. What was necessary but scarce
> in Europe in winter did not collect in conveniently known locations,
> where Europeans could expect the game to be.
>
> Europe was overpopulated? You judge that by whether the land can
> produce the necessary food supply. Or, more exactly, you judge it by
> whether the people working the land [b:ba6fc4f78a]are[/b:ba6fc4f78a]
> producing the amount of food they require. A given tract of land may
> be overpopulated by a specified number one race, but not overpopulated
> when occupied by the same number of a different race having a greater
> competence in producing farming. Indications of overpopulation are:
> (1) starvation and (2) food importation.
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> Fire made it possible for humans to live in cold climates,
> > MIB529wrote:
> Java man?
> Did Java man live in a cold climate?
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> and a communal lifestyle - with its need for greater behavioral
> regulations, whether in a cave or inside a long house - would have
> been a way to get the most use out of a given quantity of firewood.)
>
> > MIB529wrote:
> Except that you're not using actual ethnography here. Those same
> patterns existed in pre-colonial Africa! You can hypothesize all you
> want, but some actual evidence would be nice.
> Evidence of what? Be specific. Are you asking for evidence that
> firewood is used more efficiently when the fire is shared? Or are
> you asking for evidence that a communal lifestyle existed in very
> ancient Europe?
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> And the success of an adaptation isn't always the survival of the
> individual who must decide what he should do. The genes for that
> adaptation also reside in his near relatives, and it's possible for
> circumstances to exist that would permit those genes greater
> survivability if, occasionally, the individual would decide to
> sacrifice himself for his near kin.
> > MIB529wrote:
> And that's a human universal.
> No more than promiscuity is, I expect. Although one may find
> promiscuity in every race, one will find (much) more of it in the
> Black race than in the White race. Other "universals" will follow
> the same pattern, in which both races exhibit a behavioral trait,
> however one of them exhibits it in conspicuously greater degree than
> the other does.
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> And likewise for sexual restraint: survival was more of a group
> endeavour, and the groups that practiced it survived in the north
> better than the groups that didn't.
> > MIB529wrote:
> . . which is why Eskimos are so permissive, I'm sure.
> Are Eskimos permissive?

Not compared to blacks.
>
> > Jenabwrote:
> I doubt it. Remember, the Western tests for IQ are expected to be
> culture-free, with little or no dependence on the test-taker's
> familiarity with the cultural norms of the test provider. An
> intelligence test devised by abos (assuming that their own
> intelligence were sufficient for the task) would be expected to meet
> that same culture-free standard. And on such a test, the abo
> intelligence deficiency, relative to Asians and Whites, would become
> manifest.
> > MIB529wrote:
> Now that's circular reasoning.
> It isn't circular reasoning. It is a reasonable prediction. Asians
> do slightly better than Whites on IQ tests devised by Whites. Why?
> Because the test is culture-free, which lets Asians compete with
> Whites on tests designed by Whites without any cultural handicap.
> Abos aren't merely different in intelligence; they are
> [i:ba6fc4f78a]inferior[/i:ba6fc4f78a] in intelligence. Assuming that
> they could devise a culture-free IQ test, such a test would measure
> the Abo average IQ as being far below the average IQ for Whites.
>
> You evidently don't know a circular argument from a valid one, so let
> me give you an example of a circular argument. Suppose there's a
> test, for example the SAT, for which there is a significant gap
> between White and Black average test scores.

Woah. American blacks are as CULTURALLY American as whites are - and that's
probably a hell of a lot more CULTURALLY American than I am or than the
heaps of foreigners with accents that were in my school. I test high on ANY
IQ test - and got very high, 99%tile SAT score. Where is Nim to hand over
the Chinese experience here. Enough got said already - and we are rehashing
here. Like so many other TOTAL foreigners that ended up here with NOTHING -
my people made very good for themselves by using FORETHOUGHT, PERSISTENCE,
having almost infinite PATIENCE and PERSEVERENCE. Blacks that had been next
to us in neighborhood who had been there with WAY WAY more than any of us
had - turned their place into a filthy, crime ridden slum. We did NOT do
that. We ended up owning businesses, I retired from work at the age of 36
and so forth. WHY IS THIS? We tried harder? Yeah, right. To top that
off, NO ONE handed us a penny or a hand in any of it - and there never was
affirmative action for us - NO NEED for it. We had to ADAPT. We had to
FIND businesses, for instance, that would sell goods that people WANTED to
buy from or come to - and so forth. ADAPTION is the key, persistence,
patience, and a lot of hard work. We had to first of all, learn what it's
like to live in a non-nomadic non-Stalinist (AS IN STALIN) capitalist
society. Do you think this was EASY? Oh HELL no. Blacks were already
here, they spoke the language, they knew the ropes and how the system
worked. WHAT is their FUCKING EXCUSE? I don't want to hear it. I'm DEAF
to it. There is NO excuse. The economic situation here back then was RIPE
for making money, RIPE for making a good life. It was so ripe for SAVING
money that at the age of 9 I had hundreds in the bank. MY OWN ACCOUNT.
Howard Savings and Loan Bank. Why could I do this so easily - but no blacks
could do it? WHY? You only had to THINK, use FORESIGHT, PLAN, and then DO
IT. Does anyone hardly think that the "Tatars, bloodthirsty descendents of
Jenghis Khan" were NOT discriminated against? HA! No one ever called black
people DEMONIC.

Liberals insist that
> the test is culturally biased and demand that the test be changed to
> eliminate the bias. Why do they believe that the SAT is biased?
> Because of the gap in White-Black average scores. That's a circular
> argument. It has no persuasive power that is not supplied by
> political intimidation.

The SAT test is NOT biased - I took it when I was not enculturated into the
mainline American society. I scored very high on it. I remember the civil
service exam. I got every single question right. WHAT excuse is there for
blacks to score so god damned low? That test was SO damned easy that I not
only got it all right, every question, but I did it FAST. It was so damned
easy I could have aced it when I was nine years old. THAT EASY.
>
> [continued...]
>
> Jerry Abbott
>
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