Re: Stephen J. Gould and anthropological fraud

From: P.Comm (tjsrno_at_spampost.com)
Date: 07/08/04 

Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:50:36 GMT

"DesertCactus" <desertcactus@emailcorner.net> wrote in message
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> >
> I couldn't agree more. They shouldn't have come and tried to impose a
> Western system of civizilation on the africans. They should have been
> allowed to develop their own system of civilization, people in
> neolithic europe were living in similar conditions to the Africans a
> few hundred years ago, although not quite as primitive I don't think.
>
> >
> > Poor compared to what? No one in China is poor today!
>
> I don't know about that. You probably know more about it than me.
>
> > > Africa is the poorest place in the world,
> >
> > Again, what do you define as poor?

> Currently it is the poorest place in the world by the measurements of
> wealth that are applied to all countries, GDP or whatever, literacy,
> amd pretty much every measurement like that.

That's not even MY definition of poor or rich. Do you have a content life,
what you want, comfort, shelter, food, leisure, warmth and friendship? Then
you are rich. Social scientists are beginning to GRASP another view of
wealth - and come to the conclusion that the old Hottentots were one of the
wealthiest people with their old way of life. I agree. They worked 3 hours
a day for ALL their needs and had everything they needed. That's rich.
>
> >Before whites ever got there, the people
> > lived rich and fulfilling lives - and poor/rich were NOT determined
along
> > the lines you think of them AT ALL.
>
> Heh, perhaps. It depends whether you think living as a tribesman is a
> rich and fufilling life.

My grandparents certainly thought so! Tatars - nomadic people, living in
moveable yurts, on horses. They had everything they wanted - and above all,
everyday was JOY. Then along came Lenin - then Stalin, LMAO. The problem
with the west, especially America, is that they think they KNOW how to
define "rich/fullfilling" for the world. They don't - meanwhile Americans
are probably the most malcontented miserable people, taking valium or
whatever to "get thru the day," not so happy at all, overworked and
underpaid. Who are THEY to tell someone else how to feel joy when most of
them lack it? I see this everyday - I regard most Americans as EMPTY. Some
of them are so fucked up they can't even RELAX - they get all obsessive,
anal and antsy. Sheesh.

Certainly a lot of the suffering people in
> theses failed states are not having enjoyable lives, suffering from
> poverty, disease, warfare etc.

OK, but they weren't suffering at all like that BEFORE the white guys went
there - and well, I can see how people might RESENT that super much! Native
Americans on reservations could tell you a thing or two about what they
think - MIB - want to explain things? Polynesians could also speak if they
wanted to about that. I'm American now, I speak the language and all, but
there is VERY MUCH about me that is not western AT ALL - not even remotely.
For one thing, I pretty much CAN NOT share their value system when it comes
to this. I see what we call "preta" - it means like people that are dead
but walking around, like with no soul or something. They are empty - NOT
happy at all. They get positively anal compulsive about keeping BUSY BUSY
BUSY like running a race track - all to no end. Where is leisure? Where is
fun? Where is joy? These things are PARAMOUNT in my life - and everything
else gets done AROUND those things! NOT the other way around!
>
> There are many tribes still existent in africa living pretty much as
> they always have. One hears of them abducting people and canablising
> them.

That's African tribes now. Don't confuse Tatar tribes with them, we live in
the icelands - not in tropical places.
>
>
> >
> > > 20% of whites and 33% of blacks are below the poverty line in the USA.
> > > Europe's population is declining as is Russia's.
> >
> > Yup, I know about that and I define the poverty line in ways a lot more
in
> > line with reality of daily life - which means RAISE UP THOSE NUMBERS!.
And
> > well, heh, it's funny because the whites are the ones that MESSED WITH
> > Africans when they should have kept their damned selves HOME and stayed
out
> > of there. Seems to me that they bonded their fate to that place and
those
> > people. That's how it seems to me on some esoteric level. They
entangled
> > themselves with the black race. Asians DID NOT. They knew better.
>
> Well it was the time of empires.

Heh, and NO foresight at all! NONE.

They aquired much wealth from their
> african colonies and slaves. In the long-term it probably wasn't worth
> it.

They should have foreseen it, even using pure logic, just deduced it. China
also had dealings in Africa during their MING Empire - then they shut their
doors and STOPPED. Good foresight.

The fact that asian's did not colonise africa was probably because
> of the distance between africa and asia. I do know that the Chinese
> did visit Africa and took back a small number of slaves though.

Nope. The Ming dealt extensively with Africans - and then - NO MORE. They
shut their doors tight. Ships were completely abandoned! There are NO
african haplotypes in that part of Asia - as skeptical1 pointed out. No
slaves there at all.
>
> > > the space of a relatively short time, say 100 years a
> > > population of an area can decrease or increase massively.
>
> And about the above which I wrote. I'm not sure when the first
> Europeans first visited Africa and noticed the sparsely populated
> africans but it wasn't that long ago.

Hmm, a few hundred years ago. 1400s maybe. Remember, the Portueguese were
once white white white people too - before they went there, LMAO.
Interesting article in a very old Encyclopedia Brittanica about Portugal and
how it was a powerful empire until they let the slaves loose and dwindled to
nothingness. It was in a VERY OLD version of that encyclopedia, LOL. Like
1918 edition or something.

http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/discovery/africa.html

http://muweb.millersville.edu/~columbus/data/art/CASSON01.ART

http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/discovery/henry.html

http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/discovery/eannes.html

http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/discovery/cao.html

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