Re: bark cloth (Re: Polynesian canoes

From: Yuri Kuchinsky (yuku_at_trends.ca)
Date: 07/29/04 

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:20:23 -0400

Carmen wrote:
>
> "Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@trends.ca> wrote in message
> news:4106D7D5.C9D62D3F@trends.ca...
> > Carmen wrote:
> > >
> > > "Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@trends.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:410407FD.4A33338C@trends.ca...
> > > > "t(nospam)kavanagh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > > And finally, a little later in that same paragraph that Yuri is wont
> to
> > > > > quote, Niblack concludes "... yet the resemblances and similarities
> are
> > > > > as likely to have arisen from the like tendencies of the human mind
> > > > > under the same external conditions, or environment, to develop along
> > > > > parallel lines as through contact or common origin."
> > > > >
> > > > > tk
> > > >
> > > > There are 2 separate issues here.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Were these cloaks similar in appearance?
> > > > 2. How to explain this similarity.
> > > >
> > > > Niblack testimony re #1 is important. His attempt to address
> > > > #2 is open to debate.
> > > >
> > > > Yuri.
> > > >
> > > > Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
> > > >
> > > > Comparative studies of primitive art have probably been
> > > > jeopardised by the zeal of investigators of cultural
> > > > contacts and
> > > > borrowings. But let us state in no uncertain terms that
> > > > these
> > > > studies have been jeopardised even more by intellectual
> > > > Pharisees
> > > > who prefer to deny obvious relationships because science
> > > > does not
> > > > yet provide an adequate method for their interpretation
> > > > -=- Claude Levi-Strauss, ANTHROPOLOGIE STRUCTURALE, 1958
> > >
> > > Just looking at the comparative study
> > > of techniques in weaving,
> > > here is a website from South Africa,
> > > if you look about half way down the webpage
> > > you will see drawn diagrams of weaving technique
> > > that is in use, throughout the world.
> > > Even some of the patterns are remarkably
> > > similar to what can be found
> > > throughout the Pacific region.
> > >
> > > According to the website weaving is predominantly sedge in Sth Africa
> but
> > > many of the principles and patterns appear to be the same the variation
> > > being that
> > > various grsses have been used across the world in
> > > in the same way.
> > >
> > > So for any one culture or country to claim
> > > this craft form as uniquely their own is debateable.
> > >
> > > Although having said that there are some PC nuts,
> > > in our country, who seem to believe that the art of weaving is to be
> placed
> > > on the pedestal as being so 'sacred' that knowledge of such should be
> > > limited to the few and as such some form of eletist secret, 'sacred'
> > > knowledge.
> > > Which in effect would only serve to be the downfall of
> > > those arts and crafts.
> > >
> > > The variations seem to be largely in the resources that have been used.
> > > The website I refer to is here but there are many others.
> > > http://www.museums.org.za/sam/resource/arch/basket.htm
> > >
> > > So in effect similarities and variations in weavings
> > > are world wide and comparisons between any two particular regions only
> serve
> > > as limitation when taken in the larger contexts.
> > >
> > > Carmen
> >
> > You should not take the similarities in weaving in isolation
> > from all the other similarities between the Canadian Indians
> > and the Maori.
> >
> > Yuri.
> >
> > Yuri Kuchinsky -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku
> >
> > Winston Churchill's Commentary on Man:
> > "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most
> > of the time he will pick himself up and continue on."
>
> You mean like the impacts of colonisation, disenfranchisement, losses of
> land, culture, language
> etc ?
>
> I happened to walk past two ornately carved waka yesterday and it vaguely
> reminded me of this thread.
> Altho' we have always had carvings and pou
> all around us, it didn't actually occur to me that
> altho the style is different, their structure is a little like what they
> call 'totem poles'.
>
> Also there was a doco about Sarawak people last night,
> a visiting anthropologist was looking at their tatoo
> practices. During the course of the doco a lot of
> information came up about their beliefs and practices that are very similar,
> to Maori.
>
> For some time now I have also noticed Sarawak weavings are the same as
> well. I think we also have definite links with those people.
>
> I did a websearch on that 'Niblack' character,
> never heard of him before. I didn't get around to reading anything about him
> because the following forum came up on google search and I am wondering how
> I got to be a "guest" on that forum, I haven't signed onto it,
> so do I assume that you signed on with my name
> as a "guest" ? what is that about ?
>
> Stop copying my posts and posting as me
> being a guest at that forum
> or I will stop replying to your posts forever !
>
> http://www.groupsrv.com/science/viewtopic.php?t=45224&start=30
>
> Carmen

I have no idea what you're talking about...

Yuri.

Yuri Kuchinsky in Toronto -=O=- http://www.trends.ca/~yuku

It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in
nonsense than to put out on the troubled seas of
thought -=O=- John K. Galbraith

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