Re: Atheists dying

From: Karl Johanson (karljohanson_at_shaw.ca)
Date: 09/01/04 

Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 23:59:11 GMT

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
> Wed, 01 Sep 2004 19:41:28 GMT, "Karl Johanson"
> <karljohanson@shaw.ca> screamed out:
>
> >"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> >> "Karl Johanson" <karljohanson@shaw.ca> wrote in
> >> >
> >> >> > that's true. We're all born atheists.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nope. No society is naturally atheist.
> >> >
> >> >Think. We're all born without believing anything. We have to be taught
to
> >> >believe in Santa, or the tooth fairy, or whatever.
> >>
> >> But not God. The creation tells us He exists.
> >
> >There is no evidence of a creation, just evidence that some stuff exists.
>
> Interesting claim, since the Big Bang Theory states
> that nothing exploded and here we are.

Ah, so you've only read strawman versions of the Big Bang hypothesis then.

The 'Big Bang' hypothesis is about expansion of space. It's a hypothesis
which is intended to account for the observation that most of the galaxies
being red shifted, and them tending to be more red shifted the further away
they are. It doesn't talk about where matter, energy, space & time & space
came from, whether they existed before the big bang or not, nor about
whether 'before the Big Bang' has any meaning.

>But of course,
> go ahead and tell me how I believe in a fairy tale.

You belief is no more silly than thinking that Batman created the universe.

Something obviously happened to exist. That something might have been a
random universe with some tendencies, or it might have been an infinitely
intelligent, infinitely powerful being capable of creating everything else.
Now which of the two would be infinitely less likely than the other...

Karl Johanson

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