Re: Scientifically found Racial differences...
From: DesertCactus (desertcactus_at_emailcorner.net)
Date: 09/07/04
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Date: 7 Sep 2004 07:38:44 -0700
"P.Comm" <tjsrno@spampost.com> wrote in message news:<Fg3%c.1995$ip2.878@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> "DesertCactus" <desertcactus@emailcorner.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > But now let's assume the information you posted is true, for the
> > sake of argument, for example Blacks having less reasoning ability
> > (according to your information), the apes (that humans evolved from)
> > of course have less reasoning ability still than blacks, and the other
> > races have more than blacks. (all according to your info) Then in this
> > sense blacks are 'closer to apes' in reasoning ability.
>
> No, (ah, I knew I'd regret posting that)...
You don't need to REGRET posting anything.
>it means that the part of the
> brain that whites or the western world associate with a certain KIND of
> reasoning ability would be less - and I think IQ tests test JUST THAT -
> hence the scores. The ability to track an enemy by means that most find so
> unfathomable that it may as well be magic - are obviously NOT something from
> that part of the brain - and that doesn't tend to be labelled "reasoning."
> But - what else is it? Magic?
It goes without saying btw, that westerners with proper equipment are
far more efficient at 'hunting' animals on a massive scale than the
natives - with their "western intelligence" derived equipment.
I understand... the commentary surrounding some of your information,
said:
"non-blacks show higher reasoning ability" that's probably why I have
misunderstood, it wasn't clear. It is of course DIFFERENT reasoning
abilities, (if true) not 'better' or 'worse' which are relative terms.
The blacks may have far better or more suitable reasoning abilities to
survive in the kind of environment they lived in.
The blacks were of course evolving themselves, and their intelligence
continued to develop just as the other races' were but perhaps in
different ways.
I don't quite know why we're arguing or even what we are arguing
about. You're the one who brought up how some people interpret such
information as a race being closer to apes, I have extremely limited
information about this as I'm sure you've gathered, I'm not trying to
prove or propose a theory here, I was mainly scrutinizing your
information, that's all, I'm not even satisfied that it is true.
I already discussed in another thread why I think some traits
mentioned in your information are more important than others. It's
just my opinion though - you might disagree, which is fine.
Sure the IQ tests may be designed to test the "western world" skills,
but Africa is westernized too, the world is westernized, people need
"western world" intelligence to do well.
>
> But of course
> > the humans are more advanced than the other races in some of the other
> > characteristics you mentioned, for example sight, and hearing.
>
> And don't you think that better sight/hearing is also associated with
> reasoning - perhaps reasoning of ANOTHER kind? I do. Better olfactory
> senses too - I KNOW that can lead to reasoning, but that's never tested and
> it's not seen as reasoning. I can taste/smell many things (why that is, CAN
> be tested...) - and then know what's IN there and reproduce a recipe.
> That's not reasoning? Not according to IQ tests! I'm not using the part of
> the brain NORMALLY known to be associated with reasoning to do that. What
> about sense of smell - again, super tasters/smellers sure can sniff out
> things from pretty far away compared to a person sleeping in a room where
> there is smoldering going on - and in which a fire WILL START - yet the
> person right in that room can't smell it. Heh. That's a form of reasoning
> too, but it's not coming from that "reasoning part of the brain." Neurology
> is just getting started. They had to start from scratch when they found
> that the SEAT of that kind of super high math ability is in the LIMBIC
> brain - not in the frontal logical centers. And so. People develop
> intelligence of a KIND that suits them in the ENVIRONMENT they are IN - not
> in some OTHER environment that they aren't in - and eventually, I think it
> gets handed down - somehow inherited. That sounds awfully Lamarckian - but
> I have no other way to explain it. Genes? But for all these studies, only
> ONE KIND of intelligence or reasoning is ever looked at - and NO ONE ever
> imagined that the seat of that kind of super advanced math thinking would be
> in the LIMBIC brain. They all; though they knew what the limbic brain did -
> heh. This info I jotted down is from the 70s. Other people probably picked
> up on some of this, I'm sure they did if they are in the BUSINESS of "racial
> differences studies." Go read Jensen or something like that. Or write him
> and ASK - show him what I posted (fix the words so letters are not missing
> because it's NOT readable (go get my first post on it)) and ask him about
> it. That's what I'd do if I was seriously interested.
You're not seriously interested?
I understand what you're talking about above, that blacks may have
different kinds of intelligence, different kinds of reasoning
abilities.
> >
> > I don't know how reliable they are though, be nice to have some
> > discussion about this from others, a lot of these threads just end up
> > being me, you and MIB refuting zealously what he is able to, and
> > ignoring the rest.
>
> LMAO.
Not really a joke, when MIB fails to refute some points being made but
comments on others in the thread, it makes me think he is unable to,
even with his extensive knowledge. A lot of these threads become too
one-sided.
> Here is an example of social perceptions - later being proven by hard
> science. Back in the days when getting into fights was no big deal - people
> used to notice that punching a black guy in the head kinda HURT their hand
> more than punching non-blacks. Like, DAMN, hard headed people. Getting
> punched BY them may have felt like being hit by a person holding a ROCK,
> too. So it "becomes known" in the social realm that "blacks have damned
> hard
> head and hands." Well, it turns out they DO have DENSER bones than any
> other race.
> Now, no one would have ever perceived that if people did not get into
> fights, LMAO. So then, the science tells you they have denser bones. What
> does that tell the X-ray tech? What does that tell anyone planning to get
> into a fight with a black person? What does it say about their ability, or
> lack thereof, to FLOAT? It's a common notion that "blacks can't float
> well."
> They excel at certain sports, but NOT at swimming at all.
It's interesting the black pyshical differences make them excel at
some sports but they are terribly bad at others. If you look at
certain sports in the recent Olympic Games you'll see a whole line of
blacks in short distance running for example, but in other sports
hardly any.
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