Re: Racial Differences in Intelligence
From: P.Comm (tjsrno_at_spampost.com)
Date: 01/25/05
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Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:20:50 GMT
"Wolf Kirchmeir" <wwolfkir@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> P.Comm wrote:
> [...]
>> Here is a question for the Cinderella story: What message does this
>> Cinderalla story give to people who live in poverty or bad conditions?
>> (considering almost every kid was VERY familiar with poverty, all of us
>> immigrants or just born here - this was valid) That they can PRAY for
>> some miracle and some rich prince or maybe God will SAVE them? Is the
>> message in Cinderella a good message or a bad one - explain why. THAT is
>> the kind of stuff they gave us on tests; not multiple choice questions
>> about details in the stories. [...]
>
> Like I said, you have a different vocabulary. What you cite are questions
> for class discussion, homework, essays -- and for exams. Not for tests.
> Tests don't count for very much, actually. The more narrowly focusssed a
> test is, the more valid the results.
?? Test = exam! They meant the same thing here.
>
> I would test a student's ability to comprehend a story by providing a
> story to be read for the test/exam, perhaps ahead of time, perhaps not (in
> which latter case, the exam timing has to allow for reading the story.)
> Those kinds of questions would be asked about a story that had _not_ been
> read in class, IOW. Or, you ask questions that didn't come up in the class
> work.
>
> NB that recall is not correlated with ability to analyse a story,
> especially when under stress (as in an exam.) I always detested those
> instructors who refused to give even a hint of clue as to what facts of
> the story they had in mind when the framed their discussion questions.
> (Even you can't remember certain details about To Build A Fire. Neither
> can I, for that matter, and I dealt with it at for at least a dozen
> years.)
Well, I read the story when I was 9 years old. I'm 54 now. :) I remember
the brunt of it, the hellish everpresent SNOW, the white hell of it, the
utter helplesslessness of the man, his last hope, that match.
We never had multiple choice questions. But we also never had such
questions (as what kind of house did 3rd pig build), multiple choice or not,
in any reading exam. For math tests (or arithmetic) there was no multiple
choice at all. You had to come up with the answer. I guess you'd call what
we had when it came to reading anything that's a story, or history, as
"exams." Tests - exams, were the same to us.
Like the question (math thing that professor gave me) I emailed you - it was
a straight question and you had to give the answer and proof. There is
another one, that "triangle thing" that me and others in an egroup I'm in
went on and on about for MONTHS - with the subject popping up wholly off
topic now and again. LMAO. The answer was so freaking obvious that I went
and figured that they drew it wrong. So I redrew it - LOL. Turns out I
"over figured" the thing - they did not draw it wrong - and the answer was
NOT so obvious to anyone else. Well, I wear glasses. If it's not obvious,
these people need to GET glasses. Anyway - No multiple choice options.
Multiple choice is really making a test a lot easier, I think. The answer
is probably right there, heh. Then, of course, there is the "none of the
above" option on some multiple choice tests.
Here is one: a cubed plus b cubed equals c squared. What are a, b, and c.
NO multiple choice. That's a very easy one! You can probably do it off the
top of your head. The one Terry Trotter (math professor that puts "strange
things about numbers" on websites)sent me to try my hand at (I wanted to
KILL that man) - was NOT easy since I do not have a calculator capable of
handling such huge numbers. I mean, his problem didn't involve numbers you
can just do in your head right off. No freaking way. But I got the answer.
That was this:
a fourth power plus b forth power equals c fourth power plus d fourth power.
What are a, b, c and d. How do you write that in computer talk? a^4+b^4 =
c^4+d^4 ?? I'm not sure how to write it in computer talk and I can't read
it easily, and I can't make small superscript numbers on usenet - so I wrote
it all out for you.
I know by intuition right up that a and b have to be numbers probably right
next to each other and that c and d have to be further apart, one lower than
a or b and the other higher than a or b. By the time I got to around 15, I
knew that there must be numbers way bigger than I can do in my head involved
in this. It took REAMS of paper to figure out and hope that I didn't make a
mistake doing multiplications or additions of such BIG numbers by hand. It
took me hours, even just to write it out, do the arithmetic from scratch (no
calculator), but I gave him the answer. At first I just said that I'd not
do it. But it bugged me. LMAO.
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