Re: Related languages (Re: A China-Sumer connection)

From: Comm (no_at_spam.com)
Date: 03/30/05 

Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:00:35 GMT

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António Marques wrote:
> Comm wrote:

> >>> And NO, many Italian speaking people can NOT understand
> >>> Spanish. In fact, the ONLY Italian people I know that
> >>> understand Spanish also speak it because they learned it.
> >>
> >> Standard italian may be close enough to spanish to be mutually
> >> intelligible, given some vocabulary shopping. Yet your other
> >> friends are reputed to understand portuguese, spanish, italian
> >> and french without having learned those!
> >
> > I didn't say that. You did. Learn to read more carefully.
>
> You've repeated that accusation in the past, only to be found out
that
> everyone had it the same as I did. Have you or have you not claimed
to
> have a 'hispanic' friend who understands all kinds of 'hispanic' and
> italian, and an italian friend who understands spanish and french
> without having studied them?

> Yes and no, respectively, but she did argue that Romanian WASN'T a
Romance language because his Hispanic friend didn't recognize it. So,
presumably, Spanish is not a Romance language either, by the same
argument, or else Italian people would be able to understand it.

Hold on, I didn't say that. I spelled out exactly what I had to say - no
need for interpreters to what an 12 year old kid understood about WHO spoke
what and WHO understood what. I said that Romanian SOUNDED like a Slavic
language - at least what I heard spoken sure sounded like it. Lourdes did
not understand a word of it, not even words I DID understand (a few). Leo
did not recognize it as remotely related to Italian when he heard it on
ANOTHER occasion - two of his guesses for what he heard were Turkish and
Hungarian - WAY off. The other guesses were for Slavic languages. I
spelled it out, this time naming names. People putting words in my mouth
(they all did, then the rest followed suit) doesn't make it easier to
understand something a freaking 12 year old kid would understand. I just
got done talking to Lourde's 12 year old grandaughter before. The inability
of adults on here to understand a simple anecdote got me miffed. So I told
HER the anecdote. She got it first time around. SHE knows exactly who the
people are too, she's met them at the beach. She understood who spoke what
and who understood what. First time around.

> It's all subjective: how a language sounds; whether or not you can
understand it. Forgive her. Comm isn't trained in the scientific
method: she relies too much on intuition. She knows this and she
admits this but she doesn't see it as a problem.

Oh, I know enough about sci methods from case control studies from old job.
That's got nothing to do with how languages SOUND to people hearing them
when they do not understand the langauges. Of course a language is going to
sound different to the ear if you understand it.

The experiment I suggested could be done would BE sci method - a real way to
know how language develops too, IF it could be done - and IF it develops the
same way in the various ethnic groups (no one would even dare to even
imagine that it might not, bwaak bwaak, LMAO).

> Martin

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