Personal safety distance (Re: Raceing Humanity...)


"Comm" <no@xxxxxxxx> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> > Comm wrote:

> >> > ... Issue #15 in the "Taking Sides" book: Is Ethnic Conflict
> >> > Inevitable?

> >> Yes, it is. When behavioral innate norms of one group greatly differ
> >> from
> >> those of another, conflict WILL arise. Assimilation happens when and
if
> >> one
> >> group can BECOME like the other - assimilate - or if they are already
> >> very
> >> much like each other. Sometimes, it has to do with sexual
> >> selection/attraction. [...] No one can tell
> >> me that these two groups of people, if SHOVED into living together, are
> >> going to get along. They don't, for the most part.

> > Well... the males won't with the territoriality thing and the other
> > issue you raise (sexual territoriality), you've pretty much exemplified
> > the former with the stridency of advocacy and posturing ... which in
> > fact falls right into the lap of the "Planet of the Apes" parody [also
> > commentary on Kansas' idiodicy]

> You lost me. Some groups of people just tend to grate on each other.
Some
> groups of people grate on each other AND one or both find each other group
> ugly. I mean, what I said was pretty simple based on 1/2 century of
SEEING
> it happen in front of my eyes. Observing it. I'm not talking about
sexual
> territoriality at all here. You mean "macho." :) The women don't get
> along with each other either - not at all. I'm a woman, btw. I don't
tend
> to get along with S. European women - nor they with me. And I mean - no
> matter WHAT gets said - it just doesn't click. We grate on each other.
If
> one of their men tends to like me (that happens often enough) - well -
YUCH
> get the hell away from me. It's a spontaneous reaction, too.
Instinctive?
> Perhaps.
>
> Ever notice when you talk to some folks you get closer and closer without
> realizing it and there is no feeling of breaching space? Or further and
> further away without realizing it with an almost instinctive feeling of
> breaching space? I think it's pheromones. Some folks get along. Others
> can not get along. Shoving them down each other's throats does not work.
> It does not work.

Maybe it's not only about pheromones, but a culture thing as well. There was
a research about the average distance which two (unrelated) persons keep in
a trifling converstion, depending on nationality. Though I can't come up
with the stats (sorry, it was in a magazine years ago), I remember that the
Southern Europeans (Spaniards, Italians, Greeks etc) didn't need the same
"safety distance" as Northern Europeans like Swedes, Germans, Dutch etc)
when talking to a fellow countryman.
So, if a Dutch is talking with an Italian, the Dutch will have the feeling
that the Italian is getting too close, and will take a step backwards, while
the Italian will feel the Dutch to be too far away, and take a step forward.
Next time you meet someone from a different nation, try it out, it's
amazing! Of course, pheromones might be involved, too.


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