Re: Frankfurt School (Re: What does an evolutionist actually believe?)
- From: "Sylvia Knörr" <Sylvia.Knoerr_NoSpam_@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:44:47 +0100
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> "Aardvark J. Bandersnatch, MP, BLT, DOA" <someonelse@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
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> > "Sylvia Knörr" <Sylvia.Knoerr_NoSpam_@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> >>> > The Japanese are a "face" culture, for Japanese people it is very
important
> >>> > to "save face", and the public display of aggression is one way to
> >>> > LOSE
> >>> > face. So maybe it is not only the group bondages which lead to the
> >>> > high
> >>> > degree of discipline in the Japanese society (as well as several
other
> >>> > Asian societies).
> >>> > Japanese have tight rules of etiquette and arrangements just to
avoid
> >>> > embarrassing situations. Of course, that's just ONE aspect of the
full
> >>> > package of reasons why Eastern and Western societies are quite
> >>> > different.
>
> The Japanese are also a homogenous culture and society - they are NOT so
> nice to Koreans - and American citizens that were of Japanese and Black
> parentage had quite a bit to say about what they experienced in Japan.
They
> were disliked - and openly so.
"Keeping face" is more a demand for people of the SAME society - foreigners
generally are exempted, either because they can't be expected to know the
rules in the first place, or because they are considered as inferior,
culturalwise.
> > Sylvia, the question is, "Why are the Japanese (and most other Asian
> > cultures) 'face' cultures?" rather than being more similar to other
> > cultures of the world."
> I think many cultures, homogenous ones, have rules of etiquitte in their
> culture, norms of behavior, appropriateness of action that involve "not
> shaming yourself" and "not dishonoring yourself" (which is what lose face
> means). When you lose face, you shed bad light on all people related to
> you, your family. This is also very much the case in European societies.
Agreed, every culture has such rules, but obviously the extent of how many
areas of everyday life are regulated, vary from one culture to another. East
Asian cultures seem to have MANY rules, compared with Europeans.
As you insinuated above, it *could* have anything to do with the homogeneity
of a nation. Heterogenous peoples like Americans or Europeans may have
dropped many rules of etiquette because steady influx of immigrants made it
impossible to establish rules on a high level of complexity.
> If you ever saw some show here, one of those talk shows where the
> interviewer had Dr. Mengele's son on, you'd know how this works. What was
> he supposed to do, rebuke his father for some crime the father did during
> wartime - when the son was a baby? Turns out in the end, it was
discovered
> that the son and the family were indeed helping him and they did know
where
> he was. Family loyalty.
>
> People tend to FEEL more kinship with their kin - and those that are most
> like themselves. That's just the way it is and no amount of "teaching" is
> going to change that.
Right, family loyality is an instinct, everyone has it. How a society deals
with it, is another issue. Just think of nepotism - it is only natural to do
favors for your kin. But in many societies today it is illicit behavior,
it's considered "corruption". Again, the extent of tolerated corruption
differs widely among nations.
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