Re: To the real anthropologists (you know who you are)


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"A." <atalanta.brilliante@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Unless you're completely amused by it, there's no point
in this evolution debate.

What debate? Where? I'll guess: Do you mean scientists versus religious
people? HA! That's no debate.

They don't know what the word
means, don't care to find out. They don't know what cells
are, and I am not sure they understand what sperms may
be, or eggs. I don't think they understand what a gene is,
or what a point mutation is. I don't think they know these
things can be measured (mutations, alleles, etc.) And
counted. I don't think they truly believe that identical twins
have identical DNA, or that the rest of us have body parts
created in many ways by DNA. They don't know how
genes are marked off, or what chromosomes really are.
They don't know about random assortment or crossover or
any of the common mechanisms of biologic change. They
can't define the term "species," and couldn't if their asses
were set on fire. They don't know what to do with modern
views on gene splicing or speciation. No one cares, but them,
about absolutely strict species lines - so let them prove
to me that they are NOT chimps. They are not the same
species as the rest of us. They simply aren't - and I'm going
by brain parameters, now.

Heh, well, like it or not, H. sapiens got to where we are today without
knowing ANYTHING about such things, dear.

And your point in saying that would be....?

And as if I didn't know. Why so condescending?

That is, it is not necessary to
know any of it to survive - to continue.

Nope.

H. sapiens even got to the moon -
did any of the astronauts know any of this about biology?

Yes, some of them did. Are you kidding? The knowledge
that "something is inherited" was known by then.

After the heights
of the mid 60s, when, by the way, religion was dying a slow and quiet death
in the USA - well, after that, the later 60s and what came next - that
heralded the rise and banding together of the fundamentalist groups. I know
why. One does not need to know biology to know why that happened. One only
needs to know HUMAN NATURE - and yes, Ms. V - it was ALL 100% PREDICATABLE.
In writing, I freaking predicted every step of it.

Well, aren't you the cat's meow, then. Wow. What more do you predict?

The dumbing down of
America, the reaction to it.

Predict something specific, sweetie. People becoming dumber
isn't very impressive, now, is it?

They certainly don't know about genes that can go on and off,
the nature of polygenic physiology, developmental genes,
potential gene switches/dials, or about how genetic distance
between any two beings could be studied, much less measured.

Ahem, I'd agree except that some of "them" are biologists, geneticists,
other kinds of scientists. But most people don't know such things. Most
people don't need to know such things, Ms. V. (didn't figure out what got
you that nick yet?)

I'm not talking about them, but go ahead and go there.
I'm not interesting in knowing how you gave me that nickname.
I find it offensive for reasons of my own. Until today, I was keeping
you apart from Ed Conrad in my mind. I don't know why I made
the effort.

They don't know when their "Bible" was written down,
or where its earliest scraps are located or who supposedly
translated/transcribed most of it, where and why. God created
something, let's just let them go with that - but not homo
sapiens. God created Adam and Eve, then killed off their
progeny (except maybe not - those Cain/Canaanites seem
awfully pesky, even after the Flood) except Noah and his three
sons. ALL of us except a few Middle Easterners are descended
from one of those sons, and that started happening - according
to their belief - about 4,400 years ago. Those of us who
claim ancestors living, say, in China already at the time,
are wrong. The fact that our ancestor's housing was not
wiped out by the flood by seems to have been continuously
occupied is false to them. Farming was invented by the
very first generation of people to exist on earth, and pigs are
filthy.

HA, I knew it. I guessed right. Call it then, Serpents VERSUS Adamites - in
the religious sense.

I have no clue what you are talking about.

Come on - this has to be genetic. No one could be
in that mentality and have normal homo sapiens brains.

Listen to what you are saying. Farraday was a Homo sapien. He was
extremely religious. Most peoples in the world have an origin story - and
they are all H. sapiens. The origin story of my people is very different
from the OT version - makes me wonder if a group of THEM ran into a group of
US (Naga people? Serpents? Kundalini practitioners - knowledge of good and
evil? - it kinda fits) and learned something that ruined their lives - like
agriculture. Perhaps so. That's how such stories start up, btw.

We're speciating. You aren't the same as me. You would not
be treated, by me, as the same species if I knew you.

I do enjoy the fact that we now live on a planet where there
are several similar species who can type posts, though.


These people are not like
us. They simply are a different species, someday we'll find
a way of making that clearer (as though we need one). Who
would interbreed with them? Not a single one of us.

Actually, all of our ancestors had such origin stories of one variety or
another. All of them. None of them knew about genetics.

Do you just randomly generate answers to posts? Or do you
read them.

In what way does knowledge of genetics preclude people having
other types of origin stories? You've got your bull***, obviously.

You don't think it is.

You think mine is.

Or one
of us who caught swept up in some unusual event, perhaps
random gene drift (women get pregnant sometimes because
of a guy's lovely warm body, and they forget to check out his
brain - the speciation isn't complete, but the kids need to be
raised by the homo sapiens parent).

So there's homo sapiens and there's the Jepeth/Ham people
(I can never remember which they claim to be - but at
any rate, aside from a few Semites, most of these folks
are from Jepeth/Ham - you know, the bad seed).

I think Ham is the bad seed. Japhet and Shem are OK :) But they are
Adamites - or Seth's people. I'm not one of them - my folks don't even FIT
into the myth.

I can't remember. You're making my point though. No one's
folks "fit the myth." But, you'll never convince people who believe
the myth of that.


You can't possibly make them sit and study all the biology
they need, via the internet. They won't do it, and they will
drag you down. They'll pretend to have learned that they
know what oxygen is and that we breath it, but they'll
gleefully insist that's not true the next day, if they need to.
They'll pretend to have learned about rates of atomic decay,
when it suits them - but they'll deny it the next minute.

So why are you frustrating yourself, concerning yourself with things you
need not be concerned with - and bothering with "THEM?" You do that a lot,
btw.

I hardly post here at all anymore. I've posted here off and on
for years. I'm giving up. It used to be an okay newsgroup,
and it used to have some real anthropologists in it. If I weren't
bored and sitting on a layover, I wouldn't be posting.


I don't even have proof that these people are conscious,
that they have minds capable of creating a field of experience
wherein they can actually hear anything outside their own
heads.

They are klippoth. They are of the pretaloka. :-D. Since you have
consumed time and energy dwelling in their pond...... well.. heh.

Yeah - they raised me. I can't help that.


Now, I do believe that the nature of the delusions
they hold is in part due to culture, but I don't really care to
investigate it further.

The nature of the delusions they hold is familial and cultural. It's also
old old old. As said above, all people have origin stories.

Yes, and they modify them however they wish to suit their own ends.
I suppose you think genetic research is exactly and precisely the
same.

It's hopeless to try and teach them anything, much less
argue with them. If they sit quietly in a circle in front of you
and promise to take careful notes, to be tested often,
and to not stray from their task of learning biology, then
MAYBE you can interact with them - if you want to. Or
you can weed 'em out.

Or you can avoid what bothers you - which people in the pretaloka NEVER do.
HA!!

In case you wonder, you don't "bother" me at all. I notice some stuff tho.
Call it.

I still don't get your use of language. I suppose somewhere,
someone does. You often have interesting insights or facts
embedded somewhere in your noxious attitude.

Your belief that you know so much about others is the most
remarkable thing about you, though. Must be grand being you.
I'll bet your family and friends enjoy your omniscience a great
deal.

But I'm not going to pull teeth to figure out what the *** you're
posting about or why you call me Mrs. V.

It's entirely my own fault, whatever it is, and mainly due to the
fact I haven't had time to properly configure a newsreader...

A.
- abandoning ship.

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