Re: To the real anthropologists (you know who you are)


"A." <atalanta.brilliante@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1149274281.216355.16110@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


You are so full of yourself (and involved in the revelation of your
own personal details), it's amazing. So sorry that you can't handle
anyone else posting anything. Anyway, it's a shame, because you
sometimes do make sense.

I wasted good time actually ANSWERING your whining post about how superior
you are, how you are another species, and blah blah blah - and that's ALL
you can think to say? You are an ego projector par excellance. Just HOW am
I full of myself in anything I just said to you in this, thus far? Eh? Is
it possible that you, in your infinite wisdom, did NOT figure out what I was
saying? I did nothing but speak the truth. And THIS is what you get out of
it? That I'm full of myself? Far from it.

The word "backlash" seems odd - when _you_ are the only
person involved in this "backlash."

HAAAAAAAA, what fucking PLANET are you on? Perhaps, based on what YOU look
like? people aren't exactly up front about such things. What closet did
you spend your life in? There is a HUGE backlash.

The usual oddballs respond
to me in the usual way, but you love to write long detailed
responses

I took the time to actually answer you, figuring that MAYBE, just MAYBE you
are a real person and not another plastic piece of *** with delusions of
superiority. I was wrong.


People have not become dumber.

I have no idea what you mean. Are you referring (for example)
to results on tests like the Stanford-Binet? Or are you referring
to the SAT's? What?

Let me spell it out then. There used to be a tracking system. It worked
fine, it was not broken. Smart track, average track, dumb track. At the
time, American students were TOPS in just about everything. This was in the
1950s. THEN they forcibly integrated the schools and OH OH, they had to do
away with the tracking system because "too many blacks" ended up on the dumb
end and not enough of them were on the smart end. RESEARCH IT if you doubt
my word. I have NO reason to lie about it. None. I was there, I saw it,
and I saw extensive writings about the god damned problem. Schools were
Forrest Gumped - and that's that. It happened. And it kept happening,
again and again, until it got to the point where people are NOT educated at
all in what passes for schools.


They have been MADE dumb by uneducation.
What the hell do you think happens when you put a huge guilt trip on one
group of people and hold another group up over them as flawless and let
them
get away with brutality asocial destructive behavior and CONTINUE to
blame
the first group for all of it?

No idea, again, what you're talking about. Which is too bad,
since I think you probably are trying to say something.

Then you are incredibly - INCREDIBLY - stupid.

Humans, when they can, they usually DO.

Disagree. Anyway, the verb "can" means nothing in this last sentence.
Are you saying that humans could have (for example) invented the wheel
many times, and far earlier - but didn't? Or are you using the word
"can" to encompass nearly infinite amounts of conditions that precede
"humans" doing something. I can't think of ANYTHING that "humans"
do as a group - we act as individuals. "Humans" didn't invent writing,
SOME humans did. Whether they are the same as the ones who invented
nothing (genetically, culturally, psychologically, you name it), no one
knows. (Oh, except perhaps you).

I see you have chosen the game of pretending to have a lobotomy. It's
perfectly clear what I'm saying. Those who can - DO.


I'm not talking about them, but go ahead and go there.

You were talking about them. THEM. The religious people. Some of them
are
also scientists. Or so I've heard. (I have NO idea what they say, btw -
but I do know their creds).


You are a parrot. And yes, that's part of usenet. You want to be
seen as a ballbuster? How quaint.

I'm anything BUT a parrot. I think YOU are the parrot, spewing all this
"knowledge" and bitching about how the religious folks are another species.

Heh.
But you - you have been condescending and looking down your
wannabe-superior nose at everyone - even E. Kurtz (that gave me a BIG
laugh).

No, I'm not looking down at Kurtz - have no idea who Kurtz is.
However, when I have questions, I ask them.

No, you don't. Just like you see only certain "every single post from me"
on here, I've seen every single post from you on here. Without exception,
you are a bitch, a fucking bitch with an attitude that is sickening.


But why? Okay, I'll bite. Are you saying there is actually
no reality at all? That all views are equally mythic? Fine.

Are you insane? Where did I say ALL views are mythic? All origin mythology
is pretty much equal. Can you read? I said ORIGIN MYTHOLOGY. Mythology IS
mythology - it's all equally mythology. Mythology might have some basis in
reality - but I never said there is no reality. You are fucking NUTS,
woman. NUTS.

That would provide me a clue as to your mental universe,
which I find somewhat fascinating. How you came to think
you are talking about anthropology is also fascinating. I'm
glad you feel at home claiming anthropology for yourself
on usenet.

Where did I claim to be an anthropologist? I never made that claim. I do
not dwell in any universe except an extremely practical down to earth one.
I do write sci fi (been published). But that's sci FI. I see you are
reading words into what I said - words I never said at all. Imo,
anthropology is a political trash can - nothing totally objective or true
CAN come of it. That's not just my opinion, either.

I'm sure you'll get all miffed and go off on my word
choice, as if you can't understand what I say (perhaps you
can't, I can't tell). No reality at all is as good as anyplace to
start non-anthropology.

Your entire post was one huge miff and whine against "those religious
people" y ou bother yourself with. I answered you with a few facts about
those religious people, people like Farraday. Perhaps something I said
about such people, geniuses, daimonic people (Hellenic concept) and what I
said about you NOT being one of them got you a bit daffy so that you read
words that I never wrote, and saw me making claims I never once made.

We're speciating. You aren't the same as me. You would not
be treated, by me, as the same species if I knew you.

I probably wouldn't want to know you. You have WAY too many issues - and
this latest one with the fundies is definitely an "exit stage anywhere"
clue
if it was real life offline.

Again, you make no sense to me. The linguistic differences between
us are vast.

Actually, they aren't. You can't read!

The issue of the fundies is quite potent in our world,
right now. But, you'd rather talk about your ancestors. And myth.

I was addressing YOUR whine against the fundies. The issue of the fundies
is one of politics, not religion. That is what I was explaining, among
other things.

I think you should continue - but I don't think it has much to do
with anthropology.

Neither does a thing you say about how you are some other species.


Both my husband and I (married over 25 years) can tend to get
egg-heady in person.

Relevance?

What was the relevance of your posting rubbish about the appearance of your
relatives and yourself (without showing proof?) And the relevance of your
insane claim to be another species. You are herd, lady. Pure herd.

Can. Sometimes. But we are leisure folks, very easy
going. But I'd wager good money that both our IQs are higher than
yours -
clue - 99% percentile. Both of us. The computer for me is a toy,
nothing
but a freaking toy.

So, you like the attention you get from me. And you like feeling
superior to me. You have few issues, you're nearly perfect.

You are ego projecting. How about getting smashed down to size, hey? I
think you did - and that made the rest "hard to read" somehow unfathomable.
Yeah, right.


This is the third time you've said this to me. You like to say it.

Wrong, I'm not on here enough to remember what I said to whom or not.

Apparently, you got tired of doing real academic work. I understand.

HA - like you do "real academic work." Post on here when you do what
someone like Farraday has done. Otherwise, you are not some seperate
superior species. You are herd. An educated idiot, imo.
the religion is like a fasces,
it holds them together, makes them stronger. Anything that diverts them
from
that (even if it's common sense) is going to be rejected. Why have they
gotten this way? Because of the backlash - their world was turned upside
down - and this one thing, this religion they now embrace, IS turning it
right side up again - even if they have to reject knowledge.

Interesting perspective - but no data to support it.

No data? LMAO. History is my data. If you refer to the current data - all
you need to do is READ what they have to say when they are NOT quoting (or
misquoting) scripture. I have. For years too, on and off, just bits and
pieces if all you'd need to conclude the freaking obvious.

So many of these
New Christians are either new converts, A.A. converts, or returning
to a religion they really never knew.

It's what I said it is. Perhaps you can't objective look at it. It's a
social phenomena - what the hell ELSE do you think it is? It's exactly what
I said it is - and (stupid me!) took the time to EXPLAIN.

Rejecting knowledge came first, in my opinion - and religion suits
that endeavor.

You are wrong.

I come from a long line of fundamentalists on one
side of my family, but they aren't stupid like Ed Conrad.

That is why you can't see it, be objective, see it from outside. I have
Conrad killfiled, I can not see his posts anymore. But you keep bringing
him up - like you keep bringing up how YOU are another species. Do you have
any idea how insane that sounds?

People would
rather have their lives back - than have knowledge.

SOME people.

Right, SOME people - but I'm referring to THOSE people - the ones banded
together around religion these days.

What you don't seem to
grasp is that these christian fanatics with their fasces-like banding
together are STRONG,

What you don't seem to grasp is that I've known that since
I was about two. Yes, they are STRONG. And they are
very similar to fascists.

You must be young. Hmm, that poses a problem. You don't know the way it
was when religion in the USA was virtually dying. I do. People were secular
as hell here. Don't you understaned that fascism comes into being WHEN a
population is desperate, devastated, disenfranchised? And indeed, it does
make them very strong. They rise to power.


they behave as a collective and they actually GAIN
things from this cohesiveness, things that better their real lives.

Like what? Name some of the ways in which their lives
are better? Are you taking their own viewpoint?

I'm not one of them - heh, FAR from it - they don't even come near me, as I
SAID if you bothered to read. I understand their viewpoint - clearly, too.
I've been explaining it, DUH. I already named the many ways that their
lives get better - PRACTICALLY better.

Try an etic
viewpoint, it would suit you better. How are their lives better?
Are you saying that they like the idea of going to heaven and
having eternal life? That sounds plausible - but why can't
you just say what you mean?

I explained it. Can't you read? I said PRACTICALLY better about 10 fucking
times, woman.

You
claim to be so smart, yet you can't figure that out? You might be a
student
of biology, but you are no authority on human nature or you TOO would be
able to predict the oh-SO-predictable.

Your predictions are things that people have been saying, in print,
on usenet, elsewhere, for hundreds of years. How is that proof
that you're so smart or that you understand human nature?

You are ego projecting again. I do understand human nature. Apparently,
something I have said here, explaining "THEM" to you, what makes them tick -
has confused you SO much that you resort to your snide sarcasms (again). As
a matter of face, heh, I am smart. So what? I don't think a person has to
be smart to figure this stuff out at all. It's just TOO obvious.

I've never really thought much about being a sybil, as you have.

More ego projection. "If you said the things I have said, YOU'd think these
things about yourself." I know about the world, people, nice people,
assholes, the whole rest. You don't seem to savvy this: YOU go out of your
way to be a bitch, a snice, sarcastic bitch. You were so much so that even
Kurtz called you on it. How can you possibly be familiar with anthros on
here and not know Kurtz? I find that impossible to believe. Yet you are
full of bitching and whining about who? Ed Conrad? Fundies?


You're using newsnet as a form of therapy for yourself.
I hope it's helping.

More ego projection. Who is it that thinks she is another species and comes
on here whining about how "stupid" her parents, uh, the fundies are? You
do. >
It's not that
they don't want to know biology and etc. It's what agenda (IDEOLOGY) is
attached to all of it that they reject. And I see WHY they reject it.
You
don't? Try. I've only been spelling it out for the last few weeks on
here,
here and there in posts.

I don't read most of your posts. I do try and respond to people
who post directly to me, although many posts slip through the cracks.
I'm not interested - at all - in discussing ON THIS BOARD why
the fundies have their ideology. Of course we can all see it.

Well, without knowing why they have it, understanding what made "THEM" so
powerful and why they rose to the occasion - the country could be in big
trouble if our "representatives" do NOT do as the people WANT for a change.
Just whining about how they MUST be some other species is not going to make
them go away. You think they are stupid. BIG mistake. They are DRIVEN and
DETERMINED - and they have practical reasons for all of it.

I've seen Native Americans argue all kinds of things in court. Some
argue their own creation myths, which is of course quite typical in the
world (which is what you seem to be saying over and over as if you
just discovered it).

No, I'm telling YOU this as if you don't seem to know it. From your post,
you don't seem to know it.


Now to address your "stupid people" (that's what you are talking about)
subject - if you want to base that on IQ, heh, then I know which
species -
er - I mean which "groups" would be eliminated. Forget about
understanding
the nucleus of a cell or whatever else. There be those that never even
figured out how to make a wheel. Go ahead, make excuses for them:....
doh
de doh.... they didn't NEED wheels. Uh huh. It's called IQ. It's real.

Yes, it is real. But, so far, I've never been able to get anyone
on usenet to tell me what exactly they expect to do about the
situation or how they would reorganize their own lives, society,
the state, or anything else - based on this rather obvious knowledge
that people differ in intelligence, and that IQ tests refer to some
sort of intelligence that can be measured and is generally valued.
By general, I mean that the value of IQ transcends modern Western
culture.

Lots of people on here have said what they'd "DO" to remedy the situation.
Or they tried to - and then they were attacked as "racist" and other such
nonsense. Perhaps you should read the pages of "Politically Incorrect"
magazine "PINK" - it's online. The pages are full of what should be done.


It doesn't, imo. But that's imo. You know, you want it both ways tho.
You
want there to be knowledge genetics - but oh wait - not TOO much
knowledge
of genetics cuz it might turn out to be very un-PC.

No. There is never too much knowledge. What a crazy thing to say.
Or to read into someone else's posts.'

Whenever someone posts about some new information - they get trashed by the
PC gang on here, the usenet patrol freaks.

You posted about
Christian or Jewish origin stories. Read your own post. Perhaps you
need
to stop listening to their words and consider what their words-made-deeds
would give us in terms of results: eg RAMPANT spread of STD - uh, among
some folks, not all folks.

Are you saying that Jews and Christians have more STD's?

Oh my god, how DUMB can you be? The fundies are anti condom, they are going
into aids pandemic areas and preaching against condoms - stopping people
from using them (not that some of them use them at any rate). You are
bitching about these fundies - and you don't KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING in
terms of practical affairs? How can this be? How?

Once
again, your topic sentence seems unrelated to the next one. I truly
can't understand what you're trying to say.

Then you are dumb, lady - just plain dumb. You bitch and whine about a
whole group of people, "the fundies" and you don't even know what they are
SAYING - except for some stupid scriptural origin ***. That's the least of
the problems from the fundies. The LEAST.

Snip the DUH question.


Forget the words. The words made manifest - what would the RESULTS
be? Do they really want STDs to rampantly spread? Obviously, heh, THEY
DO.
Go from there. OF COURSE they don't say that. But gimme a break. Their
desires, their fanatical laws - put into practice? Result: rampant
spread
of STD among some people (they'd be weeded out).

Is your claim that these particular religions have always had
the same goals? To spread STD's? This is sounding very odd.

You are stupid, lady. REALLY stupid. They'd ban condoms. They'd ban birth
control. They preach abstinance but they KNOW that, that's just not going
to happen. Ergo - FIGURE IT OUT. What happens with no birth control and no
condoms - when they preach that *** in AIDS endemic areas?

You are (once again) bashing someone, looking down your nose at someone,
a
group of people, this time the christians I guess.

Nope. It's fine with me that they have their religion.

YOU are superior. Heh.

Nope. But I value what I value.

You are backpeddling.

And so.... I figured I'd say something. Do you conclude from that, that
I
like the fundies?

No. Are you forgetting that my original post was NOT addressed to you?
You like personal attention though.

No, I don't like personal attention - and imo nothing IS personal on usenet.
Your original post was addressed to the WORLD, lady - that's who can see it.
Anyone can reply to it.


Sort of. It's astonishing, actually, how little of it was invented by
the
Hebrews. The same stories, as I'm sure you know, could well be
attributed to other groups of people in the region, from whom the
Hebrews
acquired the taste for genealogy, law-giving, and their origin myths.

Uh, the other people in the surrounding areas were polytheistic and quite
easy going when it came to religion. The Hebrews DID invent the Ham Shem
Japhet stuff. The Hebrews had a particularly horrific deity - and were
monotheistic (even if the goddess worship kept trying to make itself
manifest).

Actually, it's tribal and
that means it is legit, as legit as my dad's mom's tribe is Uzbeki (a
name
derived from the PERSON named Uzbek Khan) - and so forth.

Yes, I too am related to people who are Uzbeki. So, as stupid as I
may be, I do know a little bit about Uzbek Khan.

I didn't say you were stupid. YOU said you were "brilliant" "a superior
species." Did you forget that? I did call you stupid in this post -
because you are pretending to be stupid.

Shem was a
person. So was Japhet. So was Ham. That's where the tribal names come
from. Hebrew tribal names. Jew - Judah - the name of a man that had a
tribe. So the names DO define a specific group of people - or they did
long
ago. Imo, it's really a shame that the European peoples, so long ago,
borrowed that mythology and made it their own, combined with paganism
(sons
of god, queens of heaven, all that) and Manichaeanism (dualism). It held
back Europe for almost 2000 years. But even with that - Europe excelled.
Stop tangent.

See, I think the stuff you just posted is quite good - and does need
to be said (perhaps over and over).

Already on websites (I won't rewrite articles for usenet).

I agree about it being a shame that Europe got so wrapped up in
that mythology. Would you say that happened because of Imperial
Rome? Isn't that mythology quite well-adapted to social control
of stupid people - and the dumbing of people?

Yah, imperial Rome has a bit to do with it - early Christianity was very
inclusive (and very different from what it became). Christians gained a
footing when they coopted and distorted Plato and the works of the Hellenes.
All mythology is a part of social control - what is and is not acceptable in
any given society. Imo, some particularly psychotic people gained power in
the Christian realm - like Augustine.

I agree that Europe excelled, and regard the total silence on what
Europe actually accomplished in paleolithic times as bizarre. I am
speaking of your average "peoples of the world" textbooks here. Or
your average high school/undergraduate curriculum. We've demolished
courses in Western Civilization for no good reason, and those courses
never did a great job on prehistory to begin with. Sad. But the
prehistory
of Europe holds the answers to many questions that apparently shall
be ignored by Euro-Americans, while they hold onto the cosmology of
an ancient goatherding people.

Agree, it's a crime, imo. A crime against the people, against their minds.
You ARE young. That stuff DID used to be taught. I learned about the
Hellenes, Pythagoras, Euclid, etc, in grammar school, by the 5th grade in
GRAMMAR school, I knew that stuff inside out. THAT was school - an
education - Euclidean plane geometry in 5th grade. The one thing I never
learned about was the lunatic named Moses. None of that was taught.
Chinese stuff, their dynasties, Egyptian dynasties, their works - all that
was taught.

Now, you are missing my point. WHY WOULD I want to convince them of
anything of the sort? WHY? It's not possible. So why would I try to do
what is not possible? I can not breath water. When I swim, I do not TRY
to
breath water. Got it? Get that, and you'll get my point.

I am not really all that interested in your personal motivations, Comm.
Can you think of a reason why I would be? But I am interested in
whether other people who might be reading understand what you
seem to be trying to say. I really do think you have some interesting
ideas (and
arguments) to make in between the personal invectives you enjoy
creating. I understand (I guess) that you feel compelled to oppose
mean people. I feel compelled to oppose the use of sci.anthropology
as a forum for debates on evolution vs. mythology.

Hold on, you are the only person that brought mythology up - in your post on
this thread! Where else is it? I don't see it. I read James Michael
Howard's posts - interesting data. I get into jello fights with the PC gang
while I'm up and down recording music from digital cable dance station (pure
music, no video on there) :)

THIS newsgroup, in 2000, is the first newsgroup I ever saw - and I
literally, laughed howling, doubled over for about 8 hours reading what I
saw on here. FLAMES - oh my god, the flames. I came here thinking (HA)
to
get the latest info on the Stringer versus Wolpoff fight. No such luck.
You can't find out anything correct on the internet - not even science
articles. I get the originals and find out that what was on the internet
was altered.

Excuse me, dear, but you CAN find original articles on the internet.
You may have to pay a small fee. Or, if you have a college education,
your alma mater may allow you to use their library resources. Or,
you can email authors of articles and most are happy to send copies
of their works. Flattered, even. But I have access to thousands of
journals online, and also the popular periodicals like Scientific
American
(which is about as academic as I would expect a newsgroup to get).

I can get info from NJ Med School (where I used to work).

I've been on sci.anthropology off and on since 1992. It used to be
better.

Listen, the christian fundie phenomena has nothing to do with religion.
Just keep that in mind at all times, no matter WHAT they say. They are
going so far as to try to FIND some justification for their agenda in
that
bible of theirs - to make it religion. Even when there is NONE in there,
they'll squeeze something out. It's all POLITICAL.

ITA.

What I have found out from some of these people who get over the "super
preachy defensive stage" (which means that I have dealt with them and
they
didn't say a WORD about religion to me) is that they REALLY do help each
other - one plumber knows the electrician, who knows the painter and -
go
from there. They keep it inside, in-house so to speak, LIKE WE DID when
I
grew up in ethnic community for a while. Collective action. Do you have
any idea how powerful that is in advancing your group when the rest of
society if individualistic?

I think I do. I actually was raised in human society, as well. How
about
that. I don't think you're using the word "advancing" in the way that
I would
(they think they're advancing their cause, I don't think they're
advancing
in any way). Are they forcing others to bend to their will? You bet -
but
not where I live and not in my life. I'm over it - but I won't stop
posting
here with headers that point out that this group is not functioning. I
really don't intend anyone to respond to them (you seem to be about the
only one who doesn't get that). Anyway - I'm NOT posting to you. I'm
posting to some other people, for my own reasons.

I know that, A.

Clue: Islamic people are also collective.
Jews living there never made high advancements and they are also
collective.
Here, Jews rise to the top in just about everything. My people come here
from Stalinist Russia with nothing - we are literally ALIENS culturally -

Yeah - well, you're not the only one.

and in 5 years everyone owns a home and is doing really well. I retired
at
36. I had MONEY. I also get rental income. I started out with
NOTHING.
OK? That is how powerful collectives are in the midst of individualistic
societies. They support each other - and things really DO get much much
better in their lives for them. THAT is the reason to stick with it.
And
yeah, to hell everything else! IF sticking with it means "say no to
biology" then they WILL say no to biology. Got it?

Brag, brag, brag. Yes, I do have it. But it interests me that no
matter what, you, Comm, will iterate and reiterate.

I'm not bragging - but that's more ego projection on your part. I'm simply
stating a fact. IF we can do this, as a people - WHY can't some other
groups do it, especially when they get SO much public dole help from my
taxes?

I've seen people 100% down and out, downsized to the point of sleeping in
their cars. They get found by the Jesus freaks and oh, they find Jesus
too - now they own homes, have jobs ALL because of that fundie church.
That
there IS reason to stick with it. They have a party line - at first,
they
are oh...heh, INSANE, like crazy people. Later on, they lax off as they
feel more secure and comfortable. But they have very real reasons to
reject
what you want to "teach" them and stick with what they are doing. They
don't have to know biology, A. They DO have to have a good life. They
WANT
a good life. They do NOT want to be ostracized and alone again.

There you have it, I just spelled it out for you. PRACTICAL. You know, A,
if they really believed in all that rapture bull***, they'd not be saving
money for their 4 year old kid's future college fund. What they are into is
100% practical.

If you are a teacher in a school, teaching them biology - or anywhere
else
(on the internet? if you are trying on the inet, then you are not as
bright
as you think...), then they will be suspicious because 1. it's a school
and
they KNOW what to expect after all the *** that has come down in the
last
few decades. 2. they are HIGHLY suspicious, even suspicious about
listening
to any of it. WHY, you might ask? Are they stupid? NO - and stop
thinking
that - it's disgusting and makes YOU seem so noxioux that I have the urge
to
flame you, LOL. It's why I bought up our H sapien ancestors in the first
place. I'll tell you WHY they reject it all:

Actually, I find it quite possible to teach ANYONE the basics of
biology -
as the test results from my courses show. And without offending the
fundies. But on this ng, no. If I wish to keep posting with headers
of
my own choosing, you will not be able to stop me. Got that?

Who's trying to stop you? You really do assume a whole lot.

The brunt is this: if we are animals that evolved from an ancestor that
both
us and chimps evolved from, something presumably chimp-like, then - what
happens to morality? We are animals - so where is morality? They see
the
PC *** that has happened here for decades, like tyranny (and it WAS
tyranny) - and they see it as IMMORALITY. And whether you understand or
know this or not, the entire field of science, especially biology, and
now
some genetics, and what got taught in public about it was guided by an
IDEOLOGY as strong as religion - and it is that ideology that they REACT
to
with a force-shield around them, LOL. Get that. Understand that. It's
like a woven cloth - pull out a string and you unweave the cloth.
Evolution - and what it has COME to symbolize in action and deeds, has
unwoven THEIR cloth - and the cloth was not religion. The cloth was
their
lives and well-being. It's not evolution pure in itself that did this -
it's what got attached to it - the evolution.... ergo man is, and ergo
this
is ok and that is ok, ergo ergo. THAT is what they react to. And yeah,
I
include the pc version of genetics that tries to deny what every doctor
on
the planet knows is a reality - ESPECIALLY the epidemiologists!

BLAH BLAH BLAH. As I said, this is just the kind of thing that ceases
to be interesting - which is why (and I'm trying to point it out
kindly)

Heh, you DO NOT seem to grasp what makes these people tick. You foolishly
think they are just "stupid." You don't know that science is subject to
ideology? Even what gets funded for study and not funded is subject to
ideology. HOW can you not know this? Maybe you don't find what makes
"them" tick interesting because you are REacting to your own background. I
think so. Well, I tried explaining it to a person that seems to know have a
clue about the PRACTICALITY of all of it.

no one else is responding much to your posts. This shall likely be
the last time I do, unless I am amused by doing so.

Uh, people do respond - sometimes I wish they'd just leave the subject go.
No one seems to respond go YOUR posts, however. Except a few people (real
scientists) that called you a pompous ass or something like that.

l>
They know what I know about this gene testing too. Test YOU for p3 - and
if
you lack it, hey, you don't get insurance. How's that! Right now, it's
illegal I think, to test for such things and screen out people - but they
already put burdens on smokers - so then, here comes the logic: WHY NOT
refuse to insure people whose lifestyles point to risky behavior? WHY
NOT?
Well,
they don't. But should they? I'd bet a Christian insurance company
would
try to do that. You might think I'm all over the planet with these
examples, but no. I'm talking about ONE THING - and maybe you should try
to
see that ONE THING - cuz that is what they react to.

Having been raised primarily by fundamentalists (the other parts of
my family ran off and became successful, as I have) I think I
understand them pretty well. If I mentioned their names, you'd have
heard of them. I'm also related to some well known public Buddhists.
I think I understand their brand of Buddhism as well (and not just
from reading their books).

I think you don't understand the fundies because you are TOO CLOSE to them,
A. I'm not trying to one up you - or playing any kind of ego *** game. I
HATE ego ***. And I hate ego projection. You do that a LOT, especially in
here, this post - assuming this or that. I'm Lamaist - grandpa was a Lama.
I can't even relate to the ego *** - and I find it offensive as hell, it
stinks - and you don't even seem to realize how much ego YOU put in every
post you have made thus far, coming off as "I am SO much better than you"
every chance you got. You came off to me as seriously mistaking whatever
the fundies are doing for stupidity and religion. I chose to explain them
to you - and yes, you are WAY too close to them. I'm not REacting to
anything - or anyone. I also chat with anyone, literally - unless they give
off a certain kind of vibe (few do). Look at what you just said (I snipped
it) about how you doubt they are fully conscious. You CAN'T be serious -
but the way you wrote it, it sounded as if you really think this. The whole
post you made sounds serious (tho at first, I thought it was a joke until I
read further).


Oh. Hmm. Well, they didn't raise me or mine. I never knew people like
that and well, they didn't exist when I was a kid at all, not even when I
was a teen (I'm old, :)

I'm not young. But they did raise me. And they still exist. My
parents have been educated (by me), but were never as stupid as
the people I see on usenet.

I think you are a lot younger than I am - based on what you have said about
education in the USA (you are in the USA, right?) Do you have any idea what
used to be taught in public schools in terms of classical education? I just
told you some of it above. Your parents are famous fundies? You said I'd
know their names? Well, heh, I know Pat Robertson's name. That's about it!
Pat Buchannan is regarded as a fundie - but I loved him on labor (like CPUSA
line) - and his choice of VP blew my mind. I know that woman. SOCIALIST!
Here, if you want proof of how well, eg, 9 year old kids could read - HP
Lovecraft used to be sold on pulp stands in the 20s and 30s here, 9 year old
kids bought that, read it and DID understand it. Today, I personally know
college grads that had to read those stories with a dictionary nearby. And
then, recently, the only person that "got it" when it came to post
structuralizing one particular tale had a Ph.D. in math and Ph.D. in
literature? Say what? 9 year old kids understood this. Reading comp was
HIGH when I was in school, for MOST kids, even the average ones. The slow
ones just couldn't read well at all.

As I said, I don't tend to run into them or people
like them. I know what makes them tick, tho. Perhaps it is because I
see
them from really way outside the fishtank they are in.

Most anthropologists would insist you need both an emic view
AND an etic view (at the least) to make sense of things. But
of course, doing anthropology is the last thing we'd want to do here.

Yes, ok, but you are RELATED to them, RAISED by them - that's way too close.
You obviously also react to them. The post you made shows what I said it
showed. No understanding of the "reason for their fascism" at all. The
Fundie movement is a REactionary trend.



.

Quantcast